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Old 12-23-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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Transition cost would be a one time charge. What a lot of systems found is that ongoing costs were the killer.

My former system has about 1/3 of the high schools on a late opening (8:45/9), another 1/3 at 8:15 and 1/3 at 7:40. To switch all 22 schools to either the middle or latest time.

The estimates were an additional $8M to $12M per year under either scenario. This is a school system that can't pay its vendors on time. Or give staff a raise for 10 years.
Right, I meant ongoing costs... Especially in a district that has huge financial problems anyway.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:55 PM
 
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How much additional expense?

I didn't say that it can't be done, just how much is willing to be spent.
Scott Siegfried, associate superintendent of Cherry Creek School District, reported to the media that the change was budget neutral; however, I did not look up our district's annual report to confirm.
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Old 12-23-2018, 07:03 PM
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Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Scott Siegfried, associate superintendent of Cherry Creek School District, reported to the media that the change was budget neutral; however, I did not look up our district's annual report to confirm.
Yeah, those numbers would be interesting to see. Several DC area school systems have toyed with the idea (albeit all are larger in student numbers than the one you mentioned) and all of them came up with additional costs in the eight figure range.

A lot would also depend on the system's geographical size and how bus service is set up (private contractors versus system owned and operated buses).
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Old 12-23-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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Yeah, those numbers would be interesting to see. Several DC area school systems have toyed with the idea (albeit all are larger in student numbers than the one you mentioned) and all of them came up with additional costs in the eight figure range.

A lot would also depend on the system's geographical size and how bus service is set up (private contractors versus system owned and operated buses).
Our buses are district owned and operated, but one thing I should mention about our transportation program is that many of our elementary schools are walkable, and the walk zones for the middle and high school are pretty big, although I'm having a hard time locating the specifics on our website right now. I want to say that it's a mile for middle school and 1.5 miles for high school. My kids walked about a 1/2 mile to our neighborhood elementary. They rode a bus to middle school and part of high school because they are both on the other side of town. After sophomore year, they either drove themselves or carpooled with other students from our neighborhood.

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Old 12-24-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Our buses are district owned and operated, but one thing I should mention about our transportation program is that many of our elementary schools are walkable, and the walk zones for the middle and high school are pretty big, although I'm having a hard time locating the specifics on our website right now. I want to say that it's a mile for middle school and 1.5 miles for high school. My kids walked about a 1/2 mile to our neighborhood elementary. They rode a bus to middle school and part of high school because they are both on the other side of town. After sophomore year, they either drove themselves or carpooled with other students from our neighborhood.
Could be something like this. The district we live in has declared all the schools walkable and only owns about four buses for field trips and sports. That puts all the transportation load on the parents. And "walkable" is a very vague term. The reality is very few district kids actually live within a practical walk of a school. The "walking" route to the elementary our kids attended was two miles along a high traffic road with no shoulder and no sidewalk. I wouldn't walk that road as an adult, much less let my elementary kid do it.
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Old 12-24-2018, 09:24 PM
 
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The public school district in my town suggested a later start time a few years ago. It was met with a lot of push-back from parents due to the fact that so many, at least the majority who complained, commuted in to the city (Manhattan) via train/bus/car and/or had an hour commute to another town/city in the state (longer if traffic or bad weather) and had to leave early in the morning to make it to work on time. They already dropped their elementary & middle school students off for before school care programs & that is because elementary and MS children are too young to leave at home and trust that they'd get their extra sleep, not hit the snooze button 20 times, shower (or not), dressed, eat, and get to their bus stop safely without an adult around (this of course excludes all "perfect" children). The town didn't change the start time.
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Old Today, 04:55 AM
 
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Well my school start and finish time was

7AM-2PM
8AM-3PM

Highschool could end early or late. Depend on what kind of student you are.

This crap is revolved around teachers and their pay
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Old Today, 05:07 AM
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Well my school start and finish time was

7AM-2PM
8AM-3PM

Highschool could end early or late. Depend on what kind of student you are.

This crap is revolved around teachers and their pay
What? Students don't set the hours.

No it's doesn't The push for later starting times comes mainly from parents.
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Old Today, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Well my school start and finish time was

7AM-2PM
8AM-3PM

Highschool could end early or late. Depend on what kind of student you are.

This crap is revolved around teachers and their pay
How does when the school day begins and ends relate to teacher pay?

Many years our school's hours shifted due to busing needs, it had nothing to do with teacher pay.
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Old Today, 12:05 PM
 
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Well my school start and finish time was

7AM-2PM
8AM-3PM

Highschool could end early or late. Depend on what kind of student you are.

This crap is revolved around teachers and their pay
This is a very poorly worded post... I think you should clarify your intended meaning.
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