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Old 04-14-2019, 05:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I understand teaching acceptance but she is a Spanish teacher. Having her students read Spanish stories about a woman leaving a man for another woman and 2 men getting married. What does this have to do with Spanish? Her young child is gay and she has become and advocate but I donít think it needs to be in Spanish class. She passes out rainbows and has this kids chant LGBTQ. Now, if it were my child I would probably would just leave it alone. Times are more progressive and you have to go with it to a point. My cousin is sending emails to the school and asking her daughter be taken out of class when they have to read the Spanish passage about gay relationships etc....at first the principal said the teacher shouldnít be doing this in the classroom but then changed her mind and said the students should have access to all curricular materials but itís the parents right to not have their child participate. What are your thoughts? I just think this teacher doesnít need to be pushing anything accept teaching Spanish.
I think I'd be going to the board of ed. That should be taught in health class, not Spanish. She obviously is doing it because of her child. I'd want to see what board of ed says. Yes she's teaching it in Spanish but I doubt it's what she's supposed to be teaching
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Old 04-14-2019, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I understand teaching acceptance but she is a Spanish teacher. Having her students read Spanish stories about a woman leaving a man for another woman and 2 men getting married. What does this have to do with Spanish? Her young child is gay and she has become and advocate but I donít think it needs to be in Spanish class. She passes out rainbows and has this kids chant LGBTQ. Now, if it were my child I would probably would just leave it alone. Times are more progressive and you have to go with it to a point. My cousin is sending emails to the school and asking her daughter be taken out of class when they have to read the Spanish passage about gay relationships etc....at first the principal said the teacher shouldnít be doing this in the classroom but then changed her mind and said the students should have access to all curricular materials but itís the parents right to not have their child participate. What are your thoughts? I just think this teacher doesnít need to be pushing anything accept teaching Spanish.
I don't think it needs to stressed in any class what so ever. The only exception might be a social awareness class, if there is something like that. Teachers do not go around preaching straight sexual orientation or discussing the sexual orientation of their kids otherwise.
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Old 04-14-2019, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Even after six kids, quite a few schools and districts and family in the ed game, I am still staggered at the number of parents who demand that their kids be raised just as ignorant, narrow-minded and prejudiced as they are.
No one is saying kids should be raised without the knowledge of the world. Most of us try very hard to teach our kids acceptance and understanding. Most of try not to be judgmental but there is a time and a place for learning and the Spanish class room is not the place for this. As I mentioned, a social studies class would be. even then it whole subject depends on how a teacher is teaching issues to their kids, not only what they are teaching.

BTW I do, like many wonder if we are getting the whole story, but it is still an interesting discussion. I will add, I do not want a public education teacher teaching my grand kids about religion either.

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Old 04-14-2019, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I don't think I know a single college graduate who can converse simply in a second language, except those who would have been bilingual anyway.
The fact still remains it i a requirement to get into most universities that a person complete 2 or more years of a foreign language in high school. That is the point. Thus though foreign is an elective, it is also required for college and many kids plan on furthering their education.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Not sure what leaving a man off another woman means. It's high school (presumably). Curriculum includes slavery, murder, genocide, and your cousin is worried about a story that has gay people in it and stickers.
And the winner is - Malloric.

The student in question is learning about darker, and more horrific things - let's see - sevenths and eighth grade students learn many horrific things.

Just ten years ago, I had two student in the 6-9th grade age group.

Things they learned about in school -

1. The US mistreatment and systematic slaughter and destruction of the Native American people and culture.
2. The US Slave trade. The depraved acts of slaveholders, rape, mutilation. systemic brutality, maiming, torture.
3. Jim Crow
4. Systemic racism.
5. The Holocaust - the destruction, torture, murder and destruction of European Jews, Roma, Homosexuals, Intellectuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Pacifists, Slavic people, and others.
6. The Inquisition.
7.Darur and other genocides world wild.

I could go on and on.

The OP is worried about a love story where some characters are Gay?
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Old 04-14-2019, 07:55 PM
 
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I don't think I know a single college graduate who can converse simply in a second language, except those who would have been bilingual anyway.
No kidding.

My kids started with Spanish in PreK & never had a break. My oldest is now a sophomore in college and took up to Spanish III in HS. Spanish IV in the HS is "conversational" with a lot of writing. He said no thanks! He's currently taking intermediate II Spanish this semester b/c he placed out of "elementary" (two semesters of FL required & long story). He can ask simple questions and if one speaks verrrry slowly in Spanish to him in short sentences he can get the gist of what is being said. But no way could he have a conversation with a good friend of mine who is Puerto Rican and speaks fluently. However, and I found this amusing: one of his recent assignments was to write a poem about someone who influenced his life as a child. His professor submitted his poem to some Spanish publication and it's going to be published.

I highly doubt that if she read his poem back to him at full speed that he'd be able to understand it IF he didn't write it.

At the same time? My friend's kids can speak & understand quite a bit - but she couldn't help them with the grammar end in their classes.
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Old 04-14-2019, 07:57 PM
 
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It's true that most colleges require students to take some FL. Doesn't mean they actually learn the FL. Personally I think part of the problem is we spend way too much time on mechanical things like parts of speech and conjugating verbs and not on actual conversational language. I think that's a backwards approach. If you look at how kids learn to talk, they learn words and basic sentences long before they enter school. Then in school they start learning the technical aspects of the language.

When I finished my FL requirement in college I could conjugate the heck out of any verb in that language. Couldn't actually speak a coherent sentence.
I don't disagree.
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Old 04-19-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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I'm struggling to believe this. Who in the world chants "LGBTQ"?
Yes. That is so out of date and non-inclusive and insensitive. Why teach kids something out of date and sexist or somethingist? The correct current and "fully inclusive" term is LGBTTQQIAAP. Teaching them the old out of date term is like teaching one of the old pejorative names for racial groups.
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Old 04-19-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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There is a difference between teaching acceptance, tolerance, and open mindedness, and pushing an agenda.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Old 04-19-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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There is a difference between teaching acceptance, tolerance, and open mindedness, and pushing an agenda.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Since this most likely never happened, I think while there is an agenda here, it's not what you think.
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