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Old 04-23-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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I keep hearing this, but how exactly to you promote understanding of something without talking about it?
By having the discussion in the appropriate class. Psychology, sociology, or biology in this case. In a dispassionate scientific manner where all points of view are welcome and dissenting views are not squashed. Will that ever happen in a school?
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Southern California native, last 20 yrs in Milwaukee Wisc.
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This LGBTQOMGWTFLOL stuff has absolutely zero place in a supposed education curriculum. None.
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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I wonder what the proper statistics are for how many folks think that LGBTQ education is somehow about indoctrination vs actually being simply about acceptance.
It can be both depending on who's doing it and HOW they're doing it. There are many people who's main purpose is radical indoctrination and many others who are capable of talking about it in an acceptable rational manner. Because of this, the bringing up and concentrating on the LGBTQ issue has no place in the curriculum at schools. Who's the person that's capable in each school to monitor what's being said in each classroom and for that matter, what makes THIS person qualified?
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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This LGBTQOMGWTFLOL stuff has absolutely zero place in a supposed education curriculum. None.
Exactly. They should stay with history as it was established by white men.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:07 PM
 
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Exactly. They should stay with history as it was established by white men.
Toxic, hegemonic white men.
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Toxic, hegemonic white men.
Now, now. No need to pile on, such as by adding ...straight white men... to the list.
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:02 PM
 
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And the winner is - Malloric.

The student in question is learning about darker, and more horrific things - let's see - sevenths and eighth grade students learn many horrific things.

Just ten years ago, I had two student in the 6-9th grade age group.

Things they learned about in school -

1. The US mistreatment and systematic slaughter and destruction of the Native American people and culture.
2. The US Slave trade. The depraved acts of slaveholders, rape, mutilation. systemic brutality, maiming, torture.
3. Jim Crow
4. Systemic racism.
5. The Holocaust - the destruction, torture, murder and destruction of European Jews, Roma, Homosexuals, Intellectuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Pacifists, Slavic people, and others.
6. The Inquisition.
7.Darur and other genocides world wild.

I could go on and on.

The OP is worried about a love story where some characters are Gay?
Yeah, I'm calling bull. It's nearly impossible to read the classics without coming across a dysfunctional, heterosexual relationship. Yet, parents don't complain about that.

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Those test scores correlate quite well with intelligence, which is why they are required in the first place. Universities could never get away with requiring straight IQ tests, so this is the next best thing. Education, particularly elementary education and special education, are often good fallback majors for college students who aren't especially bright. The education courses are devoid of rigor and you need not have a separate major, like mathematics or biology. That's actually one of the first things I would change: require all education students to have a legitimate major. The second would be to abolish schools of education. The only worthwhile aspect of them are the field experiences. Get rid of the useless courses, require all aspiring teachers to have a full year of student teaching and/or intern teaching. Cutting out the useless courses and requiring a legitimate major outside of an education major would filter out many of the students who aren't up to snuff. Right now, it's simply too easy to become a teacher. Contrast our system with those in countries with superior public education systems.

There's nothing wrong with not being intelligent but it's foolish to pretend that a lack of intelligence will not have a distinct effect in the classroom. It's a much bigger struggle for a not particularly bright person to try and teach Huck Finn at the elementary level or Shakespeare at the high school level than to teach "Heather Has Two Mommies" or "I Am Jazz." An English teacher down the hall has a poster on her door entitled, "All the Books We've Read This Year," with photos of all the books. From the top to the bottom of the door, it's modern garbage literature, and I use that term liberally. That's a failure of administrators and school boards to not require more rigor and challenge. Then again, I doubt most of those folks understand or appreciate actual literature anymore than some of these teachers do.
In Texas, aspiring teachers choose a major. Education degrees are nearly impossible to find at the undergraduate level. Still, I had my share of bad and dumb teachers. My worst teacher in middle school was a science teacher with a science degree. My worst teacher in high school was a math teacher with a biology degree. He passed the certification test for math, and we were short math teachers, so he was made to teach it. My physics teacher had a PhD in microbiology, and I could easily tell she was outside of her comfort zone.

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Old 04-23-2019, 08:21 PM
 
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Now, now. No need to pile on, such as by adding ...straight white men... to the list.
Uh, the preferred term here is "cisgender."

I eagerly await the day when textbook publishers and academia stop blocking non-white, pansexual, *****, differently abled female and trans humans from writing history, which will be informed by their lived experiences.
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:27 PM
 
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Yeah, I'm calling bull. It's nearly impossible to read the classics without coming across a dysfunctional, heterosexual relationship. Yet, parents don't complain about that.



In Texas, aspiring teachers choose a major. Education degrees are nearly impossible to find at the undergraduate level. Still, I had my share of bad and dumb teachers. My worst teacher in middle school was a science teacher with a science degree. My worst teacher in high school was a math teacher with a biology degree. He passed the certification test for math, and we were short math teachers, so he was made to teach it. My physics teacher had a PhD in microbiology, and I could easily tell she was outside of her comfort zone.
My worst teacher in high school was a woman who believed her husband got PMS, so she gave him Midol. She also made us watch "Ghost" rather than teaching actual material. Bad teaching juxtaposed with the acting of Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore.

Therefore, women are bad teachers.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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My worst teacher in high school was a woman who believed her husband got PMS, so she gave him Midol. She also made us watch "Ghost" rather than teaching actual material. Bad teaching juxtaposed with the acting of Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore.

Therefore, women are bad teachers.
Yeah, no. Just because you saw a bad reading list from a teacher, you made a generalization about all English/literature teachers. You also made an assumption about why people choose to major in education. I can tell you that there are other majors that typically have similar or worse GRE and LSAT scores.

https://www.prepscholar.com/gre/blog...ge-gre-scores/
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