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Old 03-05-2021, 08:56 AM
 
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Karen is an educator, so I think she has some sort of clue. I have experience in education too and subbed in a few schools in lower income neighborhoods that were really good. The key was having strong leadership that supported the teachers. I went to some that were horrible.

I have a friend who started her teaching career in a lower income school. We were still getting our master’s degrees then and she would literally come in crying sometimes because the administration was awful. They actually made her a section with all of the bad children that none of the other teachers in the department wanted. She was a brand new teacher. How does that help the children or the teacher? She’s since worked as a reading resource teacher (now district wide) and worked with a lot of struggling students successfully. She said the big factor was the support from the administration.
Not at all surprised by that.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:55 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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YES, the mother maybe should have been more involved in her kids' education...
Nope. Mom does NOT get a pass. She can NOT be allowed to.
Her own mother, who went through the same basic scenario 17 years prior, gets no pass either.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Nope. Mom does NOT get a pass. She can NOT be allowed to.
Her own mother, who went through the same basic scenario 17 years prior, gets no pass either.
Exactly. When you look at everything mom says, she barely touches on the fact that she messed up at all. She is absolutely clueless. The education and mannerisms of all children START at home.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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So I ask the ... posters on C-D: How would YOUR kid do in the incredibly crappy Baltimore schools?...
Wow, that's quite a tirade. It would be nice to see inner city Baltimore parents go on tirades like this at school board meetings. Where do Baltimore Board of Ed members send their kids to school? I bet it's not the public schools.

The fact is, most C-D posters would go on a tear against incompetent leadership. And that is why most of us send our kids to decent schools.

Good schools don't happen by magic. They don't fall out of the sky. Parents have to work hard to get them and keep them. BOE members are up for election every 2 to 4 years, and they get voted out if they don't do a good job.

One wonders what the Baltimore city Board of Ed looks like. Where do they send their kids to school? How many times have they been re-elected in a landslide? Who runs against them and what kind of debates are held?
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Any kid who isn't showing aptitude or motivation by eighth grade should be redirected into a vocational, hands-on education of appropriate length and placed in a constructive job environment.

Why couldn't this be community-based or set up like a Works Progress or Civilian Conservation Core program with housing and guidance? Structure.

They could have the option of returning to higher education after a period of time given that they mature and decide they want that.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:08 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Exactly. When you look at everything mom says, she barely touches on the fact that she messed up at all.
She is absolutely clueless. The education and mannerisms of all children START at home.
It's important to note though that this basic scenario happens in POOR white areas as well.
Numerically that is likely in the 3-5X range vs the poor black city kids cited.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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It's important to note though that this basic scenario happens in POOR white areas as well.
Numerically that is likely in the 3-5X range vs the poor black city kids cited.
That only make the screams of "racism" more ludicrous. This kind of educational outcome should not be tolerated anywhere in America.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:15 PM
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Location: North Jersey & Central Connecticut
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Okay to the people who live in gold plated suburbs with vacation homes or family vacations to different states multiple times a year, please sit down and sit this one out.

Take your Lexus' and brand new Audi's and go back to Pleasant Village super rich suburb land.

Send you kids to an underfunded, blighted school district where parents work 80+ hours a week to make ends meet and surviving is a daily thing between crime and when bills are due.

You have absolutely no authority or right to insult the mother for giving her kids a roof. It's not as easy in Baltimore to work a job or two and make sure your kids are succeeding simply by... Looking at a report card. You guys sound incredibly ignorant, misinformed and unaware of what happens in severely underfunded school districts.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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... misinformed and unaware of what happens in severely underfunded school districts.
Baltimore schools are not underfunded. If you think they are, prove it.

The problem is systemic neglect by the people who run the city of Baltimore and specifically its schools.

The voters of Baltimore are also to blame because they keep electing people who let kids fail.
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Old 03-05-2021, 02:48 PM
 
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Exactly. When you look at everything mom says, she barely touches on the fact that she messed up at all. She is absolutely clueless. The education and mannerisms of all children START at home.
Here's what she's seen, in that school.

Her son doesn't pass anything, and yet he keeps getting promoted. What he's seen in the schools is that for the years when he was an underclassman, the students above him did the same thing. They showed up usually, and at the end of 4 years they got a diploma regardless of grades.

It's highly likely that when the mother went to school, you had to pass classes, (or get really close and mercy could be given) but in this magnet school, that wasn't the case.

Serve your time for 4 years and you get a diploma. She could have encouraged him to do better, that's true, but in her mind this was a plate that was spinning on its own and didn't need her intervention.
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