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Old 10-12-2022, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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No doubt we have all seen it, the cheerleaders, the band, some student group out there on Saturday holding a car wash, maybe free for donations.

I rather cringe at that, especially if it is for free and donations, for only those who have never lived in drought conditions believe that water is free. In a drought, one should not be doing car washes but if they are, at least charge up front.

In a world of dwindling resources and rising prices, are we doing the young a disservice by not teaching them what is the cost of basic living?
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Old 10-12-2022, 07:31 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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In a world of dwindling resources and rising prices, are we doing the young a disservice by not teaching them what is the cost of basic living?

No. The mobilized and growing army of guilt-trippers, teaching young kids to feel guilty about their very existence is doing them the most horrible disservice possible. Destroying joy and fun that should be their birthright, by attacking every innocent human activity and finding a way to darken and ruin it -- by claiming it hurts the climate, or advances one -ism or another. The increase in youth mental illness and suicide rates reflects this, and should terrify anyone who actually cares about children and childhood.


The problem isn't the kids. It's the doomsayers who delight in destroying their childhood with spite and guilt, all in the name of "Mother Gaia".


The "starving children in China" has grown into a massive industry, and leaching joy out of our lives is part of its business model.


Leave the kids alone, and let them have their fun.
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Old 10-12-2022, 07:54 AM
 
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You object to teenagers working to earn money? Don't worry, the water is being paid for by whatever business donated it.
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Old 10-12-2022, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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You object to teenagers working to earn money? Don't worry, the water is being paid for by whatever business donated it.
No, I don't object to them working to earn money......I do object to them working without money being part of the contract, that people will be nice enough to always give them donations.
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Old 10-12-2022, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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In a drought, one should not be doing car washes but if they are, at least charge up front.
How would that use less water?
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Old 10-12-2022, 08:06 AM
 
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How would that use less water?
It doesn't, but it starts teaching them that water isn't free......and it may wise them up when someone says we can solve our energy problems by using water instead.

Water is essential to all life, at least life as far as we are concerned, on this planet. Without water, one is rather plainly toast.
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No. The mobilized and growing army of guilt-trippers, teaching young kids to feel guilty about their very existence is doing them the most horrible disservice possible. Destroying joy and fun that should be their birthright, by attacking every innocent human activity and finding a way to darken and ruin it -- by claiming it hurts the climate, or advances one -ism or another. The increase in youth mental illness and suicide rates reflects this, and should terrify anyone who actually cares about children and childhood.

The problem isn't the kids. It's the doomsayers who delight in destroying their childhood with spite and guilt, all in the name of "Mother Gaia".

The "starving children in China" has grown into a massive industry, and leaching joy out of our lives is part of its business model.

Leave the kids alone, and let them have their fun.
As I said above, basic point of life is water. It is not about joy, it is not about fun, for if you don't have water, you're dead.

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Old 10-12-2022, 08:55 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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I would definitely ban fund raising carwashes in a drought stricken area. That's not a problem here, however, where we average 53" of rain annually. Environmentally, a bigger issue in places with plenty of water is the runoff of the soapy water and any chemicals into the stormwater system, where it can affect the wildlife, in our case, salmon streams.
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Old 10-12-2022, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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It doesn't, but it starts teaching them that water isn't free......and it may wise them up when someone says we can solve our energy problems by using water instead.

Water is essential to all life, at least life as far as we are concerned, on this planet. Without water, one is rather plainly toast.

As I said above, basic point of life is water. It is not about joy, it is not about fun, for if you don't have water, you're dead.
I don't think their mindset is, "Oh boy! We get to waste water and it costs us nothing!"

I think they are more focused on whatever they are trying to raise money for. And it teaches them that they aren't getting that for free, they have to work for it.

And you know what? They are some of the BEST in customer service.

I hadn't seen one of those in a long time, but the other week, I was out working, and there were some teens out there with their Car Wash signs. Car washed for $5.

They were enthusiastic, waved at everyone, no matter if they didn't pull in to get their car washed or not, had huge smiles on their faces, jumping around...so fricken happy that I couldn't help but smile. They were really into their fundraiser, and had I not been in the middle of a job, I would have gotten my car washed for no other reason than they were so fricken cheerful.

Not once have I ever thought, "Look at those free loaders. Out there wasting water and scamming people out of money like they're owed it."

They could be sitting at home on their phones, moping around the house about how bored they are, gaming, or shopping.

Instead, they go out and work for it. They have the ones on the corners with their signs, trying to get people to come in, 'recruiters', and every last one I've ever seen in my entire life, they are always smiling and waving at everyone. They have others who wash the cars, and I've had my car washed a couple of times by these fundraising teens in other parts of the country. They did a great job, and they cracked jokes and smiled the entire time.

Can you imagine if we had that type of customer service in everything?

Here's what they learn:

*The business may be donating their water - but someone had to go and talk to that business owner - 'networking'.

*How to get people to buy what you're selling. Again, 'recruiting'.

*Fantastic customer service will get you more customers.

*Not everyone will buy no matter what it is you're selling - don't get discouraged, keep trying.

*If you want something, you have to get up, get out there, and DO something to earn it.

*You can be happy while working.

Maybe try looking at it that way the next time you see them out there.
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Old 10-12-2022, 10:07 AM
 
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No, I don't object to them working to earn money......I do object to them working without money being part of the contract, that people will be nice enough to always give them donations.
That doesn't follow from water. Are you objecting to water or are you objecting to the term "donations?"

Perhaps instead next time drop in and get your car washed and drop an extra 20 in the bucket. Or better yet volunteer with a youth group and help them wash cars.
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Old 10-12-2022, 01:41 PM
 
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Worse than wasting water, it's the teenage girls in shorts/mini skirts holding up the car wash signs.

As I have a daughter, it makes me cringe.
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