5 year-old FL student voted out of class (county, kindergarten, school)

[miamiman]

Ahh, Florida .

Teacher lets Morningside students vote out classmate, 5 : St. Lucie County : TCPalm

This is an absolutely horrible situation. This "teacher" should be voted out of her job.

[cpg35223]

Yep. But there are two culprits here. The teacher and the parent. A child who exasperates a teacher this badly has a parent who is obviously asleep at the switch.

[kelly237]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Yep. But there are two culprits here. The teacher and the parent. A child who exasperates a teacher this badly has a parent who is obviously asleep at the switch.

Pretty judgemental !!!

Some children have ADHD or other problems and the parents are doing all they can. What if the kid has handled a family crisis that has led to
behavior issues? If dad is deployed and junior reacts with misbehavior is that a parent "asleep at the switch" ?
Hope you aren't a teacher who thinks all problems are poor parenting!!

[cpg35223]

Originally Posted by kelly237

Pretty judgemental !!!

Some children have ADHD or other problems and the parents are doing all they can. What if the kid has handled a family crisis that has led to
behavior issues? If dad is deployed and junior reacts with misbehavior is that a parent "asleep at the switch" ?
Hope you aren't a teacher who thinks all problems are poor parenting!!

Nothing wrong with being judgmental, especially when it comes down a teacher sacrificing classroom time to deal with one disruptive brat.

Nope. I'm a parent. And I see a lot of kids who allegedly suffer from problems like this. But the reality of things is that, most of the time, you have a parent who is uninterested in controlling their children. What's more, even if the child is ADHD, he still will have to function in the real world one day, something that indulgent parents never seem to get.

My son has a classmate who is high-functioning autistic, and an only child to boot. He has been in my house countless times. His parents' style of parenting is to not impose limitations on Josh, but rather give him sufficient freedom of action so he does not feel frustration (The father, by the way, is a child psychologist). The predictable result? A child who throws tantrums whenever he doesn't get his way, and parents whose entire lives are built around the demands of this little monster.

So, the first time Josh ever tried to pull those same tactics at my house, I essentially pulled him up short and suggested that he walk on home, because I would not put up with that kind of behavior for a second. He thought I was kidding, because he had another episode five minutes later, which meant Josh walked home that day. But the next time he visited, you can be sure that he followed my rules to the letter. I've never had to contend with another episode like that out of him. The father pulled me aside just last week and asked what my secret was. "I just don't put up with it," was my response.

Which all leads to my original point. All children, except those with the most chronic problems, can learn how to behave themselves. What it takes are parents who are not standing around all day, enabling poor behavior.

[kelly237]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Nothing wrong with being judgmental, especially when it comes down a teacher sacrificing classroom time to deal with one disruptive brat.

Nope. I'm a parent. And I see a lot of kids who allegedly suffer from problems like this. But the reality of things is that, most of the time, you have a parent who is uninterested in controlling their children. What's more, even if the child is ADHD, he still will have to function in the real world one day, something that indulgent parents never seem to get.

My son has a classmate who is high-functioning autistic, and an only child to boot. He has been in my house countless times. His parents' style of parenting is to not impose limitations on Josh, but rather give him sufficient freedom of action so he does not feel frustration (The father, by the way, is a child psychologist). The predictable result? A child who throws tantrums whenever he doesn't get his way, and parents whose entire lives are built around the demands of this little monster.

So, the first time Josh ever tried to pull those same tactics at my house, I essentially pulled him up short and suggested that he walk on home, because I would not put up with that kind of behavior for a second. He thought I was kidding, because he had another episode five minutes later, which meant Josh walked home that day. But the next time he visited, you can be sure that he followed my rules to the letter. I've never had to contend with another episode like that out of him. The father pulled me aside just last week and asked what my secret was. "I just don't put up with it," was my response.

Which all leads to my original point. All children, except those with the most chronic problems, can learn how to behave themselves. What it takes are parents who are not standing around all day, enabling poor behavior.

So..if I know one strict dad who is abusive ...does that mean every strict dad is abusive??? One case does not mean every case is the same.
ps. I would not want my child playing in a home where someone called him a monster .. even on a forum!

[nat_at772]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Yep. But there are two culprits here. The teacher and the parent. A child who exasperates a teacher this badly has a parent who is obviously asleep at the switch.

I don't see how you can say the parent was sleeping. The child has been tested and the mother met with school and district officials to try to create an lesson plan specifically designed for her child. I think the teacher should have gotten together with the principal and the parents if she was unable to handle him.

She's either taking the voting process to a whole new level or watched one too many episodes of the Real World.

[cpg35223]

Originally Posted by kelly237

So..if I know one strict dad who is abusive ...does that mean every strict dad is abusive??? One case does not mean every case is the same.
ps. I would not want my child playing in a home where someone called him a monster .. even on a forum!

So how do you equate strict parenting with abusiveness? That's revealing in and of itself.

And the kid deserved the title of monster, because I've seen the effect the child has had on classrooms, his parents, and everybody around him. The fact that I allow him into my house and have given him some kind of structure so that he can actually enjoy a semi-normal playtime tells me a lot about how he's been failed by his parents and his educators.

[cpg35223]

Originally Posted by natalayjones

I don't see how you can say the parent was sleeping. The child has been tested and the mother met with school and district officials to try to create an lesson plan specifically designed for her child. I think the teacher should have gotten together with the principal and the parents if she was unable to handle him.

She's either taking the voting process to a whole new level or watched one too many episodes of the Real World.

Did I say I endorsed the teacher's behavior?

Sorry. If this kid has gotten to the end of the kindergarten year, that means this behavior has gone on for nine long months. Further, I would offer that surely this kind of behavior has manifested itself long before the kid went off the school. The fact that the parent had not acted before now means she just wasn't paying attention.

[charolastra00]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Yep. But there are two culprits here. The teacher and the parent. A child who exasperates a teacher this badly has a parent who is obviously asleep at the switch.

Did you actually read the article? The child has Asperger's, a form of high functioning autism. It's not just a kid who is out of control because his parents are not enacting discipline.

But I guess parents with kids who are autistic just aren't trying hard enough to keep their kids under control, right?

[Grasonville]

Originally Posted by charolastra00

But I guess parents with kids who are autistic just aren't trying hard enough to keep their kids under control, right?

He looks like a real hooligan - NOT - did the 5 year olds get to vote for or against the teacher as well? What a great lesson to teach a classroom - if you don't like someone - or find them annoying - you can ALWAYS vote them off the island - just like TV