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Old 06-12-2023, 07:30 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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How so? In the schools I have been, after school detention/help/clubs/intramurals happened 3 days a week and were included in the total number of hours considered to be a work week, since the other 2 days teachers could leave immediately after classes ended.
That is not the norm.
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Old 06-12-2023, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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That was your school (system). Unless those activities are mandated (typically by contract) they wouldn't fall under work hours.

At one school I was at early in my career one of the VPs working n her EdD had a great idea-group after school detention twice a week.

Of course she didn't monitor it but teachers did on a rotating schedule for two hours after dismissal under "additional duties as assigned". The VP went home on time.

So you had a couple teachers monitoring detention for up to a hundred kids, most of whom the teachers didn't know.

It did not work optimally.
I don't think teachers putting in a 32.5 hour week is reasonable. That would be the teaching day. 35.5 hours...okay.
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Old 06-12-2023, 08:19 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I don't think teachers putting in a 32.5 hour week is reasonable. That would be the teaching day. 35.5 hours...okay.
Our duty day was 37.5 hours. Included class, prep and lunch. Clubs were after that. Meetings, except for staff ones, in theory, fell within that at the end of the day. In theory. Staff meetings generally didn't start until after the end of duty time. We had one Principal who wouldn't start them, no matter how late, until all the staff members were there. That came to a head one day when we were waiting for a teacher who was out that day, had in fact been out all week.
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Old 06-12-2023, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Our duty day was 37.5 hours. Included class, prep and lunch. Clubs were after that. Meetings, except for staff ones, in theory, fell within that at the end of the day. In theory. Staff meetings generally didn't start until after the end of duty time. We had one Principal who wouldn't start them, no matter how late, until all the staff members were there. That came to a head one day when we were waiting for a teacher who was out that day, had in fact been out all week.
If the teaching day lasted from 8-2:30 (which would be 32.5 hours), how did you get up to 37.5 hours?
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Old 06-12-2023, 08:35 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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If the teaching day lasted from 8-2:30 (which would be 32.5 hours), how did you get up to 37.5 hours?
Report time was 7:15 with classes starting at 7:45. Dismissal for students was 2:25ish with end of teacher day at 2:45. For a few years student dismissal was 2:35 with end of teacher day at 3.

I said ish above because we went through a period where the Admins wouldn't ring dismissal until all the buses were there. There were days during that era when dismissal wasn't until after 3 many days.

When we went to a later schedule for a couple years just move the times ahead by an hour.
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Old 07-03-2023, 01:18 PM
 
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I can tell you this isn't unique to this district or school. We were in a top performing district in Illinois. As we transitioned to high school, I found out my daughter was completing 11% of her work. I wouldn't have known that based on her grades. I told them they should fail her and they didn't want to hurt her self esteem. There's only so much a parent can do when the schools keep passing them for doing nothing.
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Old 10-14-2023, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale
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I have to side with "Platon" on that one. I am not giving legal advice but in many situations the law excuses a person from acts of futility.
I was just rereading this thread and I think the post takes the cake for me. I just love it.
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Old 10-17-2023, 05:55 AM
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Location: New York Area
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I was just rereading this thread and I think the post takes the cake for me. I just love it.
Thanks. That's an equitable maxim alone with "clean hands."
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Old 10-17-2023, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale
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Thanks. That's an equitable maxim alone with "clean hands."
Although I hate to think of how much futile effort and tax dollars is spent trying to educate juvenile delinquents who have no interest, but even worse, the yes men who defend such a system as being proper and wise.
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