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Old 08-10-2023, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Digitized versions of the Math tests on that site go back to the 1940's..which had no multiple choice questions at all.
Give it a rest.
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Old 08-10-2023, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I think where a lot of the criticism comes from is getting the first two reversed.

1. Presume a test.
2. Base the curriculum on the test.
3. Teach the test.
4. Grades go up.
5. Everyone happy. Test companies make money. Curriculum publishers make money. Politicians happy. School administrators get to keep their jobs.

The part ignored -- everything that wasn't on the test.
NO. We're not talking about the same thing.

I told you specifically the presumptions that needed to be true and in what order.
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Old 08-10-2023, 01:06 PM
 
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NO. We're not talking about the same thing.

I told you specifically the presumptions that needed to be true and in what order.
Please go back and reread what I wrote. I didn't say that your presumptions were false. Rather that too often those in charge get them out of order be designing the test first then building the curriculum to the test.
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Old 08-10-2023, 01:41 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Give it a rest.
I was correcting you as you didn't think there were digitized tests going back to the 60's.
Proved that tests were not all multiple choice.

We've dumbed down the tests and the kids are still failing.
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Old 08-10-2023, 01:42 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Please go back and reread what I wrote. I didn't say that your presumptions were false. Rather that too often those in charge get them out of order be designing the test first then building the curriculum to the test.
You have different groups here. Pearson designs the tests and the states design the curriculum.
And then a third party sells them lesson plans.
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Old 08-10-2023, 01:45 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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You have different groups here. Pearson designs the tests and the states design the curriculum.
And then a third party sells them lesson plans.
That third party is Pearson or a subsidiary.

That's actually sort of ass-backwards. The states should be developing the curriculum and Pearson then designs the test around it. Having used Pearson test "products" I wondered often which came first.
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Old 08-10-2023, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I was correcting you as you didn't think there were digitized tests going back to the 60's.
Proved that tests were not all multiple choice.

We've dumbed down the tests and the kids are still failing.
I never said anything about whether such tests existed. Not once.
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Old 08-18-2023, 03:09 PM
 
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An update.

Testing irregularities found at 7 JPS schools

Jackson Public School District reveals 7 schools with testing irregularities

JPS identifies 7 schools with testing irregularities

Several Jackson Public Schools leaders on paid leave. See why (paywall)

That's just one district, but enough to take some shine off the miracle.
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Old 08-19-2023, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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ALthough I am suspicioius of these grand improvements, this seems a bit nebulous at this point.
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Old 08-29-2023, 08:20 PM
 
Location: In the elevator!
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ALthough I am suspicioius of these grand improvements, this seems a bit nebulous at this point.
Well, it confirms that this “soaring” never really got off the ground in the first place.

TL;DR: It was all BS and lies.
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