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Old 06-06-2023, 10:17 PM
 
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First of all, Catholic school do not require students to be Catholic. My son's Catholic high school had Muslim students. Muslims venerate Mary as the Mother of Jesus They also share many traditional values with Catholics.

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New York's Hasidic Jewish religious schools have benefited from $1 billion in government funding in the last four years
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/n...de%20oversight.

Basically, public schools are atheist schools.

So you can all calm down now.
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Old 06-07-2023, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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First of all, Catholic school do not require students to be Catholic. My son's Catholic high school had Muslim students. Muslims venerate Mary as the Mother of Jesus They also share many traditional values with Catholics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/n...de%20oversight.

Basically, public schools are atheist schools.

So you can all calm down now.
Sorry, but I think you are missing the point of the discussion completely.
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Old 06-07-2023, 05:25 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Pretty broad brush you are painting with. Any underlying conditions/requirements preventing you from finding qualified workers, when others seem to be able to find them ?

Funding religious schools with taxpayer funds is a slippery slope, and borders on being unconstitutional.

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Why should an Atheist be taxed to support a religious entity ?
And what do the government entities fund that I don't agree / believe / support?
The list is pretty huge, especially the divisive agendas prominent since ~2008.

Public schools over 50% of my annual tax burden (>$50k) supports education, of which the results are abysmal. I eat and live, and provide for my family on less than the school's portion of my taxes. The rest I give away. (Preferably to education, but NOT to inferior USA government funded education (?). I homeschooled, as do most my high tech / engineering peers. But still donated 48 hrs of family volunteer time / week to our pathetically poor local public schools.

Do you have a resource for competent USA employees? If so, you should share it with the US DOL, as they are short millions of employees to fill open positions. Fortunately, we (employers) can still hire foreign workers who know how to read, write, count. (and do higher level math, like fractions!). And a side bonus. Foreign and immigrant employees actually SHOW UP, and desire to contribute to the success of your company!

Happy Trails, remember that when you disburse your next payroll. (Or pay your Quarterly taxes).
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Old 06-07-2023, 05:37 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Whether this is acceptable or not depends on whether it is a charter school run by a religious organization or a religious charter school. The two are not the same. For instance, there are some private schools in Louisville, KY called ‘Saint So-and-So School’ run or sponsored by a religious parent organization that not only feature no religion curriculum, but are far more progressive on the social scale than their public counterparts. Naturally, there are certainly number of those ‘Saint So-and-So Schools’ on the opposite end of the spectrum and therefore feature daily religious education with adherence to the religious doctrine by students a clear expectation.
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Old 06-07-2023, 07:30 AM
 
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"Basically, public schools are atheist schools." How is that conclusion drawn ?
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Old 06-07-2023, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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"Basically, public schools are atheist schools." How is that conclusion drawn ?
I would count the famous Little Red Schoolhouse (private, founded 1921) as an atheist school, along with the Elisabeth Irwin High School. While the curriculum focus may be on Marxism/Leninism, atheism is part of those teachings.

The next question is, would New York City taxpayers support or oppose subsidizing that school the way Oklahoma taxpayers may subsidize a Catholic school?
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Old 06-07-2023, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Pretty broad brush you are painting with. Any underlying conditions/requirements preventing you from finding qualified workers, when others seem to be able to find them ?

Funding religious schools with taxpayer funds is a slippery slope, and borders on being unconstitutional.

"In 2014, the Supreme Court held in Town of Greece v. Galloway that “it is an elemental First Amendment principle that government may not coerce its citizens to support or participate in any religion or its exercise.” Some would argue that supporting a religious school with tax money would be coercion.

Why should an Atheist be taxed to support a religious entity ?
Good question and I guess that any atheist being taxed to support a religious entity should take it up with the county tax assessor.
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Old 06-07-2023, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I haven't mentioned a word about the KKK...wasn't even thinking about it. But Americans are often not "fans" of the Muslim religion.
I didn't say you did. BTW plenty of Americans are not fans of the Catholic church, either. Or any Christian church for that matter.

And since we're tossing out religions that may or may not want to open their own schools in Oklahoma, let me be the first to suggest Satan's School for Girls.
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Old 06-07-2023, 08:24 AM
 
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Pretty broad brush you are painting with. Any underlying conditions/requirements preventing you from finding qualified workers, when others seem to be able to find them ?

Funding religious schools with taxpayer funds is a slippery slope, and borders on being unconstitutional.

"In 2014, the Supreme Court held in Town of Greece v. Galloway that “it is an elemental First Amendment principle that government may not coerce its citizens to support or participate in any religion or its exercise.” Some would argue that supporting a religious school with tax money would be coercion.

Why should an Atheist be taxed to support a religious entity ?
Why should private school families be taxed to support public schools?


People on one side of the political aisle flatly demand that people on the other side pay for things the former wants not matter that most of the later find many of the spends morally and/or religiously objectionable.


I'm an atheist and have zero problem with public money going to religious institutions.
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Old 06-07-2023, 11:50 AM
 
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"Why should private school families be taxed to support public schools?"

It's boils down to personal choice and the way that current laws are structured. Carrying your thought further, why should childless couples be taxed to support schools, why should pacifists be forced to see their tax money go to the war machine ? Because laws are written to support that activity.

To my knowledge, there are no laws that support public tax funding of religious entities....perhaps someone can enlighten me.

This atheist has a huge problem with my tax money supporting religious entities.

Another side of the tax issue....should religious entities lose their tax exempt status once they take government money ?
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