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Old 08-23-2023, 10:04 AM
 
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Expect immaturity in young adults.

Fewer kids are working FT before college, so they know little about what is expected of a FT employee.
Yes, expect immaturity in young adults by definition. They are young. Young means immature.

And when did kids ever work FULL TIME before college? Before college, they are in high school. There's no opportunity to work full time when you are under 18!

Man, the amount of shade being thrown gratuitously at today's kids is insane.

My kids are Gen Z and so, of course, are all their friends. The vast majority are bright, competent, and hardworking.

Daughter (24) has an engineering degree, works in industry, and is starting grad school. Her boyfriend (24) also has an engineering degree and is working in industry.

Daughter (21) is starting her third year of college, has a career plan, and has worked without a break in both retail & food service since age 15. Her boyfriend (24) went to college on an athletic scholarship, graduated with a BA, but is following his interests & aptitude by working full-time as a high-performance automotive tuner, with an additional part-time bartending position. I actually think he's working too much.

I could go on and list the degrees, educational status and professions of their other young friends, which are impressive (including medical school, aerospace, etc. etc.) but the point is that while I'm sure there are plenty of duds in the Gen Z age group, the same has been true of every age group since time began, and somehow the rest of them have managed to rise to the occasion.

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I've occasionally talked to folks who, upon being newly hired, said that they were told "Forget what you learned in school. That's not the way we do it here. You'll be trained."

I would imagine that's not very common but it does happen.
Yes, this does happen in some of the highest-tech, most cutting edge companies. They want to train you to do it their way and they are very good at it.
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Old 08-23-2023, 10:21 AM
 
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Yes, expect immaturity in young adults by definition. They are young. Young means immature.

And when did kids ever work FULL TIME before college? Before college, they are in high school. There's no opportunity to work full time when you are under 18!

Man, the amount of shade being thrown gratuitously at today's kids is insane.

My kids are Gen Z and so, of course, are all their friends. The vast majority are bright, competent, and hardworking.

Daughter (24) has an engineering degree, works in industry, and is starting grad school. Her boyfriend (24) also has an engineering degree and is working in industry.

Daughter (21) is starting her third year of college, has a career plan, and has worked without a break in both retail & food service since age 15. Her boyfriend (24) went to college on an athletic scholarship, graduated with a BA, but is following his interests & aptitude by working full-time as a high-performance automotive tuner, with an additional part-time bartending position. I actually think he's working too much.

I could go on and list the degrees, educational status and professions of their other young friends, which are impressive (including medical school, aerospace, etc. etc.) but the point is that while I'm sure there are plenty of duds in the Gen Z age group, the same has been true of every age group since time began, and somehow the rest of them have managed to rise to the occasion.



Yes, this does happen in some of the highest-tech, most cutting edge companies. They want to train you to do it their way and they are very good at it.

Sure there is..summer and Christmas vacation. I worked full time in the summers when I was in HS.
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Old 08-23-2023, 11:00 AM
 
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Sure there is..summer and Christmas vacation. I worked full time in the summers when I was in HS.
Hmm...if you have a part-time job during the school year (which my children do), that would mean either quitting the part-time job for 2.5 months and hoping it's still available when school starts again, or simply adding another part-time job on top of the one you already have. And while having two part-time jobs may be roughly the same amount of hours, it's not the same mentality as having one full-time job.
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Old 08-23-2023, 11:26 AM
 
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Yes, expect immaturity in young adults by definition. They are young. Young means immature.

And when did kids ever work FULL TIME before college? Before college, they are in high school. There's no opportunity to work full time when you are under 18!

Man, the amount of shade being thrown gratuitously at today's kids is insane.

My kids are Gen Z and so, of course, are all their friends. The vast majority are bright, competent, and hardworking.

Daughter (24) has an engineering degree, works in industry, and is starting grad school. Her boyfriend (24) also has an engineering degree and is working in industry.

Daughter (21) is starting her third year of college, has a career plan, and has worked without a break in both retail & food service since age 15. Her boyfriend (24) went to college on an athletic scholarship, graduated with a BA, but is following his interests & aptitude by working full-time as a high-performance automotive tuner, with an additional part-time bartending position. I actually think he's working too much.

I could go on and list the degrees, educational status and professions of their other young friends, which are impressive (including medical school, aerospace, etc. etc.) but the point is that while I'm sure there are plenty of duds in the Gen Z age group, the same has been true of every age group since time began, and somehow the rest of them have managed to rise to the occasion.

That's the problem the proportion of duds now is the highest ever. Pick the metric.......suicide, mental illness, drug abuse, drug abuse deaths, lack of financial success, educational apathy/attainment among young men etc. etc.
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Old 08-23-2023, 12:22 PM
 
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Yes, expect immaturity in young adults by definition. They are young. Young means immature.

Young adults do not HAVE to be immature, they should have had a wealth of experiences and exposure by HS graduation to prepare them naturally and responsibly for adulthood. (Contractual age of maturity, marriage, voting, self sufficiency, joining the military (possibility of conscription), driving lethal vehicles as pleasure or employment, making choices such as buying firearms, legally buying and using marijuana, buying alcohol ( Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and Washington, D.C, Kansas, Ohio, Oklahoma, and South Dakota
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And when did kids ever work FULL TIME before college? Before college, they are in high school. ...
My kids never went to HS (I usually didn't attend, but was supposed to). We all worked FT instead of HS. It's not uncommon, and can be a good use of your time, energy, education.

Just imagine REQUIRING college applicants to show proof of previous FT employment, and a letter of reference from their boss Imagine the benefit to the students, schools, parents Getting a good idea of what they want and are interested rather than wasting 4+ yrs and $100k BEFORE they realize they have pursued the wrong path. (Whoops).

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Yes, this does happen in some of the highest-tech, most cutting edge companies. They want to train you to do it their way and they are very good at it.
Our High Tech fortune 50 had no interest in TRAINING new hires to be responsible and innovative (and articulate). Yet the last 10+ yrs we have been FORCED to do so, at the great economic expense of pulling our excellent high achieving contributors to literally babysit and provide elementary level training for math, spelling, composition. Behaviors... aghast!! Can't leave the new hires alone with suppliers, vendors, customers, managers, business partners. This is training that cannot come from college or employers. You either know how to behave (by age 14), or you don't. One of our most recent new hire engineers brought her stuffed toys, posters, beads, unicorns, and pet to work. She was not engaged in business interests at all. Our suppliers were appalled that she would waste their time and expertise. They had businesses to run.
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Old 08-24-2023, 07:53 PM
 
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When has the business world ever thought new graduates were prepared for the workforce. For as long as I have been browsing the web (a long time) I seen articles complaining how some sector is not prepared for the workforce. They are either lacking technical skills or character attributes, or just demanding too much money. I'm starting to think this is just an excuse to get the powers that be to let them import an endless amount of foreign labor. No one is prefect. There is still more room to develop after college.
I thought the bolded began with the Millennials. There were stories in the media about newly-graduated people asking for more starting pay, and expecting a promotion after every 6 months on the new job. Prior generations were happy to be able to get jobs at all; seems there was a recession every decade that made jobs scarce. The mentality among new grads generally was completely different.
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Old 08-24-2023, 08:16 PM
 
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I thought the bolded began with the Millennials. There were stories in the media about newly-graduated people asking for more starting pay, and expecting a promotion after every 6 months on the new job. Prior generations were happy to be able to get jobs at all; seems there was a recession every decade that made jobs scarce. The mentality among new grads generally was completely different.
I think that they must be talking about Mellennials. I've pointed out a couple of times that the absolute oldest Gen Z college grads would be 24 now. Are we to believe that 22-24 year old college grads, fresh from PT retail and restaurant jobs are the main new employees complaining about work/life balance? Most of the 22-24 year old college grads that I know are happy to be in professional positions and enjoying being out on their own in their first basic apartment or living with their parents for a bit until they can save up money to move out.

Gen Z ranges in age from 9-24.
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Old 08-24-2023, 08:44 PM
 
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Neighbor 'kids' (?) are age 24

They have 2 kids + 1 in the oven, just built their own rural home, and have each finished college.
They also raise cows, goats, chickens, and have a home business as well as FT jobs.

Seem pretty grown up to me. but I've known them since childhood.

Not all are so well prepared for life.
But, it is possible, and should be expected.

We moved cross country to a strange place and started a new life at that age. (Had #1 kid 3 weeks after arriving in 'on-man's-land')

9 year olds?
Good time to get them on an 'earned income' and into saving for their Roth IRA. We started ours around age 12. Much too late, but they still had accumulated plenty of dough to pay for college by age 18.
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Old 08-24-2023, 09:50 PM
 
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I thought the bolded began with the Millennials. There were stories in the media about newly-graduated people asking for more starting pay, and expecting a promotion after every 6 months on the new job. Prior generations were happy to be able to get jobs at all; seems there was a recession every decade that made jobs scarce. The mentality among new grads generally was completely different.
I think it started with the dot com boom in the late 90s/early 2000s. Anyone with a wild idea could get hundreds of millions in venture funds and offered stupidly high salaries and benefits to kids right out of college. Net result has been a huge distortion in parts of the tech and financial job markets compared to other parts of those same sectors. COVID threw another distortion in there. You don't have to look very long ago even here on CD how some were lamenting the difficulties of getting jobs in the 2010-2017 timeframe.
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Old 08-25-2023, 06:48 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Yes, expect immaturity in young adults by definition. They are young. Young means immature.

And when did kids ever work FULL TIME before college? Before college, they are in high school. There's no opportunity to work full time when you are under 18!

Man, the amount of shade being thrown gratuitously at today's kids is insane.

My kids are Gen Z and so, of course, are all their friends. The vast majority are bright, competent, and hardworking.

Daughter (24) has an engineering degree, works in industry, and is starting grad school. Her boyfriend (24) also has an engineering degree and is working in industry.

Daughter (21) is starting her third year of college, has a career plan, and has worked without a break in both retail & food service since age 15. Her boyfriend (24) went to college on an athletic scholarship, graduated with a BA, but is following his interests & aptitude by working full-time as a high-performance automotive tuner, with an additional part-time bartending position. I actually think he's working too much.

I could go on and list the degrees, educational status and professions of their other young friends, which are impressive (including medical school, aerospace, etc. etc.) but the point is that while I'm sure there are plenty of duds in the Gen Z age group, the same has been true of every age group since time began, and somehow the rest of them have managed to rise to the occasion.



Yes, this does happen in some of the highest-tech, most cutting edge companies. They want to train you to do it their way and they are very good at it.
Apparently StealthRabbit's kids were farmers and entrepreneurs as teenagers. Also they didn't go to school based on some posts. His/her posts have more holes in them than Swiss cheese. Read about the free college his/her kids did as well.

It is ridiculous the shade thrown today. I think the Boomer attitude toward work is toxic in a lot of ways.
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