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Old 08-13-2023, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I don't really put much stock in blanket assessments, although a questionable reputation sometimes takes on a life of it's own:

"A survey found that 40% of business leaders thought Gen Z grads were unprepared for the workplace.

Of that subset, 94% of respondents said they had avoided hiring recent college graduates.

And 88% of the subset said "etiquette classes" could help graduates transition to post-college jobs."


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Old 08-17-2023, 02:54 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Oh lord, I just want the new cohorts of teachers to understand being late is not allowed and that taking a week or two vacation when school is in session is not a reasonable request. I have been absolutely flabbergasted. This summer we had to make that part of the interview process and the first one that questioned it left me a little speechless.
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Old 08-17-2023, 03:27 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Well they make up nearly 50% of the workforce now. It's frustrating for sure but they have a vastly different viewpoint on work/life balance issues.
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Old 08-17-2023, 03:42 PM
 
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Gen Z (born between 1997-2012) is currently between the ages of 9-24. If a student graduates from college on time, they will graduate at the age of 22 so this group would have only had their degrees for 2 years max.

So this big "business leader" stance of "We won't hire Gen Z" applies only to recent graduates who graduated on time and obviously were able to persevere and get their college degrees in spite of the pandemic shut downs and all of the other obstacles put in front of them.....hmmm. They specifically don't want to hire this group? How stupid.

I can say that the Gen Zs that I know have been working retail/restaurant jobs since HS and have received multiple job offers post graduation.

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Old 08-17-2023, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
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Oh lord, I just want the new cohorts of teachers to understand being late is not allowed and that taking a week or two vacation when school is in session is not a reasonable request. I have been absolutely flabbergasted. This summer we had to make that part of the interview process and the first one that questioned it left me a little speechless.
Summer, spring, and winter breaks don't provide adequate time for teachers to take vacations?
This comment isn't a dig at teachers but at candidates for hire who have the audacity to ask such a question at a job interview.
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Old 08-17-2023, 04:13 PM
 
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Oh lord, I just want the new cohorts of teachers to understand being late is not allowed and that taking a week or two vacation when school is in session is not a reasonable request. I have been absolutely flabbergasted. This summer we had to make that part of the interview process and the first one that questioned it left me a little speechless.
How old are these new hires?

I ask because I have a recent college grad who worked FT in the restaurant industry while he was a FT college student. His hours varied, he sometimes had to work overnight, he had to work on many of the holidays and on weekends. He often had to work A LOT of overtime.

When he graduated from college he got a FT office position with regular 9-5 hours. He was seated at a desk most of the day and it was like he could breathe a sigh of relief.

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Old 08-17-2023, 04:18 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Summer, spring, and winter breaks don't provide adequate time for teachers to take vacations?
This comment isn't a dig at teachers but at candidates for hire who have the audacity to ask such a question at a job interview.
I've worked in both the corporate world and education.
Working in education is a lot more restrictive and rightly so for obvious reasons.

The corporate world is slowly embracing mental health days, modified work days, flexible hours, work from home, etc.
Schools cannot do this, again for obvious reasons.

It's going to be quite the conundrum for schools as older teachers retire.
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Old 08-17-2023, 04:34 PM
 
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I've worked in both the corporate world and education.
Working in education is a lot more restrictive and rightly so for obvious reasons.

The corporate world is slowly embracing mental health days, modified work days, flexible hours, work from home, etc.
Schools cannot do this, again for obvious reasons.

It's going to be quite the conundrum for schools as older teachers retire.
My original career was to have been in education; I'm the child of two educators myself and friends with many others. Other than having a passion for teaching, having those guaranteed breaks has always been a huge perk of teaching which is why is perplexes me why a newly-minted teacher thinks that he/she would need (nay *deserve*) additional vacation time outside of the scheduled school breaks.

Education is already in trouble overall (which is why I chose to pivot into a different career forty hours short of my degree), so I agree with your sentiment regarding just how rough its going to be as seasoned teachers continue to retire or leave education for other lines of work prior to retirement age.

Teaching rant aside, in my former line of full-time work, over the last decade or so, the change in the quality of employees in terms of their preparedness, work ethic, and attitude of entitlement without having earned any of the privileges has been startling. While there were plenty of "slackers" in my own generation (Gen X) and there are still a lot of excellent, hard-working, and talented young candidates out there, the shift happened pretty darn quickly with COVID further hastening the process.
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Old 08-17-2023, 05:21 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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"A survey found that 40% of business leaders thought Gen Z grads were unprepared for the workplace.
...
Since when has USA college (?) prepared a graduate for the workplace? USA college and profs are pretty clueless about the 'workplace', as are the students.

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Oh lord, I just want the new cohorts of teachers to understand being late is not allowed and that taking a week or two vacation when school is in session is not a reasonable request. I have been absolutely flabbergasted. This summer we had to make that part of the interview process and the first one that questioned it left me a little speechless.
welcome to the 'new normal' (entitlements)

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My original career was to have been in education; I'm the child of two educators myself and friends with many others. Other than having a passion for teaching, having those guaranteed breaks has always been a huge perk of teaching which is why is perplexes me why a newly-minted teacher thinks that he/she would need (nay *deserve*) additional vacation time outside of the scheduled school breaks.

Education is already in trouble overall ...
Yes, education is in trouble, and I trust the outcome will only improve educational opportunities. Covid was the once / century chance for USA edu to get it together, They failed. Opportunity lost.

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Teaching rant aside,... over the last decade or so, the change in the quality of employees in terms of their preparedness, work ethic, and attitude of entitlement ...
With age 26 (healthcare, and car insurance paid by parents up until that age.)
being yesteryears' age 18... (voting, military, financially and legally self sufficient)

Expect immaturity in young adults.

Fewer kids are working FT before college, so they know little about what is expected of a FT employee. (I don't consider food service / grunt jobs requiring no intellectual or 'task-value-add' responsibilty as preparing anyone for a career / job / employment with major responsibility or commitment). Yes... a grunt worker may need to SHOW UP, but that doesn't equal, "You are responsible for the success of this business, and the safety of other employees, and driving company vehicles, operating equipment that could kill others, dealing with commercial accts..." It's a no starter.

Recent hires are very difficult to get up to speed. Employers should get a 'training credit' simiar to hiring ex-cons (who are usually much harder workers, and certainly more responsible and committed than USA college grads).

Green Card / immigrant grads... far better than USA grads, and with adequate incentive to WORK and stay employed.

vs...
Business leaders who responded to Intelligent's survey said Gen Z grads had negative traits, including a poor work ethic, sub-par communication skills, and a sense of entitlement.

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Old 08-17-2023, 05:35 PM
 
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Probably some of the problem is that Covid hit and schools shut down. How were students studying to become teachers able to do their student teaching when the schools were closed?

Some school districts had there physicals school closed for 2 years. So, yes, if those students only got an online simulation of teaching during Covid they may have some unrealistic expectations going into a real teaching position.

It should be obvious from their resume that they've never student taught in a physical school before. They are going to need to be brought up to speed.
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