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Old 09-02-2023, 06:09 PM
 
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The colleges can remove the standardized test requirement but does that mean that they are offering dumbed down calculus or comp 1 classes or does that mean that they have a lot of new students taking courses that are way over their heads?
Yes.
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Old 09-02-2023, 06:22 PM
 
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Those studying to be a chemist or an engineer probably already take math competency seriously. If your calling is gender studies or social work, probably not so much.
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Old 09-02-2023, 06:42 PM
 
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Those studying to be a chemist or an engineer probably already take math competency seriously. If your calling is gender studies or social work, probably not so much.
I'm really not familiar with gender studies jobs. But, certainly in social work you have to have a minimal level of college level math mastery. Just understanding the various social programs and knowing how to apply them properly requires some college level math competency.

I HATED math in college because my foundation was not good for a lot of reasons. It only takes one bad teacher or one teacher that you don't "click" with to pretty much torpedo your understanding of math.

I have found that I do better learning at a repetitive, fully immersed and quick clip. Lots of examples, plenty of quizzes, comprehensive unit tests.
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Old 09-02-2023, 09:22 PM
 
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What's both scary and interesting to me is we're not even talking about algebra or calc, but very basic math skills like adding fractions and addition/subtraction. We're talking 5th grade math. The interesting part to me is not that COVID should have impacted the understanding of basic math functions for kids of this age.

Consider, students entering college in 2023 would have been sophomore's when school was impacted by COVID. That shouldn't impact basic math knowledge. But also consider this group would have been in their prime math learning years during the heyday of Common Core.
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Old 09-02-2023, 09:52 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Most 4 year universities don't have remedial math and reading/writing courses.

If you need a remedial course you either take it at the CC level or you take it online.

I think it would be way easier to take a math refresher/remedial online class, as opposed to, a remedial reading/writing class online.
Don't all colleges still give placement tests for reading math and writing?
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Old 09-02-2023, 09:54 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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What's both scary and interesting to me is we're not even talking about algebra or calc, but very basic math skills like adding fractions and addition/subtraction. We're talking 5th grade math. The interesting part to me is not that COVID should have impacted the understanding of basic math functions for kids of this age.

Consider, students entering college in 2023 would have been sophomore's when school was impacted by COVID. That shouldn't impact basic math knowledge. But also consider this group would have been in their prime math learning years during the heyday of Common Core.
Results of kids getting the full brunt of common core Math.

Common core was implemented in 2010.

Looks like it's worse than NCLB was.
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Old 09-03-2023, 09:17 AM
 
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Don't all colleges still give placement tests for reading math and writing?
No, not all colleges give their own placement tests for math, reading and writing. They base placement on SAT/ACT scores, HS transcript and whether or not a student has AP or dual enrollment credits that place them out of certain classes. Some 4 year universities do require students to take placement tests but, from what I've seen, the students with weaker transcripts who are conditionally accepted must successfully take any remedial classes at a community college before they can take classes on the big campus. They still get a student ID and can go to student events like football games on the 4 year campus but they take their remedial classes at the CC.

As a returning adult student, I had to take placement tests at my local community college because my own SAT scores were so old that they were no longer valid. I placed into College Math and Statistics so I was able to avoid taking any remedial classes or Intermediate Algebra which is a 1 credit, technically college level class, that only prepares you to take College Math or Stats.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:03 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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No, not all colleges give their own placement tests for math, reading and writing. They base placement on SAT/ACT scores, HS transcript and whether or not a student has AP or dual enrollment credits that place them out of certain classes. Some 4 year universities do require students to take placement tests but, from what I've seen, the students with weaker transcripts who are conditionally accepted must successfully take any remedial classes at a community college before they can take classes on the big campus. They still get a student ID and can go to student events like football games on the 4 year campus but they take their remedial classes at the CC.

As a returning adult student, I had to take placement tests at my local community college because my own SAT scores were so old that they were no longer valid. I placed into College Math and Statistics so I was able to avoid taking any remedial classes or Intermediate Algebra which is a 1 credit, technically college level class, that only prepares you to take College Math or Stats.
I had to take a placement test for each of the three times I went back to college for something...and that third time I had 2 degrees under my belt and still had to take the test. At the university those that had to take remedial classes were told to take them at the local CC.
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Old 09-03-2023, 10:11 AM
 
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Going back to the late 1960's when I was in elementary school, we kids used to hear that we were learning "New Math". To this day I'm not sure what they meant.
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Old 09-03-2023, 11:02 AM
 
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I had to take a placement test for each of the three times I went back to college for something...and that third time I had 2 degrees under my belt and still had to take the test. At the university those that had to take remedial classes were told to take them at the local CC.
I think that math and science credits are generally good for 10 years before you have to take another placement test. I hadn't taken a math class in over 30 years...so I definitely needed to take a placement test.

Many/most of the universities use ALEKS and there are some good online tutorials you can use to prepare yourself for that placement test.

I've been batting around whether or not I want to take college Precalculus. It seems very similar to the College Math class that I took topic wise. But, from what I understand, the Precalc course goes into greater depth than the College Math course does. I would take Trig separately rather than the Precalc/Trig combo.

I took Trig decades ago but I haven't used it since and really don't trust my foundation in it. I'll need a redo.
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