Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
2,500,000 members. Thank you!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-04-2023, 04:48 PM
 
12,570 posts, read 8,797,942 times
Reputation: 34364

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slater View Post
As in many facets of life, attrition weeds out those who shouldn't be there in the first place.
I'm ok with weeding out. The things that bother me are either the student was capable but not properly prepared, and/or, the grades assigned did not reflect actual performance.

If the college doesn't use SAT/ACT, they must rely on high school grades. They must either be accepting students with known inadequate transcripts, or the transcripts were not correct. The former is on the college for accepting them and the latter is on the education system for not properly preparing students or not providing true grades to the student and to colleges.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-04-2023, 05:10 PM
 
16,873 posts, read 16,129,407 times
Reputation: 28084
Quote:
Originally Posted by tnff View Post
I'm ok with weeding out. The things that bother me are either the student was capable but not properly prepared, and/or, the grades assigned did not reflect actual performance.

If the college doesn't use SAT/ACT, they must rely on high school grades. They must either be accepting students with known inadequate transcripts, or the transcripts were not correct. The former is on the college for accepting them and the latter is on the education system for not properly preparing students or not providing true grades to the student and to colleges.
The kid said that he had taken one Algebra course which he was shaky on but he also said that he was strong in Trig and functions.

What kind of a math sequence did he have? I'm so confused.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Arizona
2,548 posts, read 2,190,830 times
Reputation: 3888
Evidently you can be accomplished in algebra, trig, and calculus and still be unable to figure out how interest rates affect your student loan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 07:59 PM
 
396 posts, read 246,224 times
Reputation: 1065
Quote:
Originally Posted by springfieldva View Post
There are some excellent online resources for those needing to firm up their foundation in math. Kahn Academy is good. MathHelp is excellent - I was able to rebuild my foundation from the ground up, in about 3 weeks. I would not recommend doing it that fast but it can be done - I did it and got an A in my college math class.

I am not sure which online tutorials would be good for Calculus. I haven't taken Calc, yet, but I feel as though I could pass it with the right study tools.

Note: I was a very poor math student in HS and when I first attended college nearly 40 years ago. But after rebuilding my foundation I now feel like an excellent math student.
My kid studied Calculus 1 on Khan and then was able to test out of it. This worked for a high school level math course as well. Some students learn very well through Khan.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 08:02 PM
 
396 posts, read 246,224 times
Reputation: 1065
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trekker99 View Post
SAT/ACT scores have been eliminated at many if not all colleges for entrance - that removes math evaluation knowledge as a benchmark for college entrance.

Many K-12 school districts, like in San Diego and others, have eliminated homework for being considered as part of student GPA - that erodes math performance in K-12 basics.

And you have educational professionals being swayed to use teaching resources and texts that bias math instruction with, shall we say, bizarre ideology
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Hor1A1Uisis/hqdefault.jpg

Mediocrity seems to be the goal - so, there should be no surprise in the resultant outcome we are seeing.

This only serves to showcase the devaluation of a college entrance/acceptance and completion - companies hiring college graduates are now more aware that a diploma is no longer an indicator of employee potential.

Companies are now having to institute more screening and evaluations in interviews to make sure college applicants even possess basics in mathematics. The cache in saying you are a graduate of "x" college has lost value.
I have a kid currently applying at universities, and we are sending the ACT scores to them. Kid has had math homework throughout high school and is currently in concurrent that does assign homework.

This type of thing likely varies according to where one lives, I suppose.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 08:39 PM
 
16,873 posts, read 16,129,407 times
Reputation: 28084
Quote:
Originally Posted by A New Day View Post
My kid studied Calculus 1 on Khan and then was able to test out of it. This worked for a high school level math course as well. Some students learn very well through Khan.
I'll have to try Kahn. It's great that your kid was able to self study and test out of Calc. I'm all for doing that whenever possible.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 08:48 PM
 
16,873 posts, read 16,129,407 times
Reputation: 28084
Quote:
Originally Posted by A New Day View Post
I have a kid currently applying at universities, and we are sending the ACT scores to them. Kid has had math homework throughout high school and is currently in concurrent that does assign homework.

This type of thing likely varies according to where one lives, I suppose.
Our youngest graduated from HS a couple of years ago and he sent his test scores to all of the schools that he applied to. It was an uphill battle getting those scores for his application because of COVID. That was the one year ('20-'21 school year) where I could see why colleges might make test scores optional.

But in 2023, I don't see the reason for applicants not being able to take and submit ACT/SAT scores.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
2,548 posts, read 2,190,830 times
Reputation: 3888
I thought that the SAT/ACT was biased against underprivileged students? At least that's the latest media take on them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 09:18 PM
 
16,873 posts, read 16,129,407 times
Reputation: 28084
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slater View Post
I thought that the SAT/ACT was biased against underprivileged students? At least that's the latest media take on them.
It's a multiple choice test that has been used for over 50 years. The point of a standardized test is that it is not subjective.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-04-2023, 10:07 PM
 
12,570 posts, read 8,797,942 times
Reputation: 34364
Quote:
Originally Posted by springfieldva View Post
The kid said that he had taken one Algebra course which he was shaky on but he also said that he was strong in Trig and functions.

What kind of a math sequence did he have? I'm so confused.
That's what I mean. Sounds like his classes left him thinking he was prepared when he wasn't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:32 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top