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Old 10-04-2023, 02:04 PM
 
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"Hanging on" to the failure of public schools is a disservice to their stated purpose - the education of children.

The solution is not to save public education by throwing more and more money at it. There will never be enough money to save it - it is on a doomed path. The priority should be on how to save children's education.

Tax money for education needs to follow kids, not the school. Choice will force competition and change. Let the money decide on what gets priority; an agenda of indoctrination or education in basics.

The fracture between parents and schools (teacher unions, school boards, and educational 'professionals') is irreparable and was done on purpose. Parents do not want to be captive to a method of education in which they are demonized and excluded for what their children are exposed to.

Alternate choices would be infinitely better for children as opposed to trying to fix a sinking ship.

 
Old 10-04-2023, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Okay, but it's still a failed system. "hanging on" is not a descriptor of success.
The old parochial school system worked well for over 100 years, until times changed and there were no longer enough women who would donate their time into that system for free.

The article in the OP's link advocates for a rekindled spirit of volunteerism in education. What's wrong with that?

Everywhere we are asked to volunteer, whether it's by paying higher prices for "green energy" or by carpooling or coaching a YMCA soccer team. Some people may choose to donate their time, talent, and treasure to education.
 
Old 10-04-2023, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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"Hanging on" to the failure of public schools is a disservice to their stated purpose - the education of children.

The solution is not to save public education by throwing more and more money at it. There will never be enough money to save it - it is on a doomed path. The priority should be on how to save children's education.

Tax money for education needs to follow kids, not the school. Choice will force competition and change. Let the money decide on what gets priority; an agenda of indoctrination or education in basics.

The fracture between parents and schools (teacher unions, school boards, and educational 'professionals') is irreparable and was done on purpose. Parents do not want to be captive to a method of education in which they are demonized and excluded for what their children are exposed to.

Alternate choices would be infinitely better for children as opposed to trying to fix a sinking ship.
Except that we have little data to tell us how all well all these alternative schools are doing, other than to show us a return to more segregated schools.
 
Old 10-04-2023, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The old parochial school system worked well for over 100 years, until times changed and there were no longer enough women who would donate their time into that system for free.

The article in the OP's link advocates for a rekindled spirit of volunteerism in education. What's wrong with that?

Everywhere we are asked to volunteer, whether it's by paying higher prices for "green energy" or by carpooling or coaching a YMCA soccer team. Some people may choose to donate their time, talent, and treasure to education.
Well, as a school teacher and principal for 33 years, I saw a lot of volunteerism in schools. It was a very mixed result. Very mixed. I'm not opposed to it, but it cannot include individuals who are distracting from the stated goals of the schools.
 
Old 10-04-2023, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Well, as a school teacher and principal for 33 years, I saw a lot of volunteerism in schools. It was a very mixed result. Very mixed. I'm not opposed to it, but it cannot include individuals who are distracting from the stated goals of the schools.
If this new idea takes off and eventually "fails" the way Catholic schools "failed", it'll be the year 2123 and neither of us will be around to debate about it.
 
Old 10-04-2023, 03:34 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Well, as a school teacher and principal for 33 years, ...distracting from the stated goals of the schools.
I trust the 'stated goals' of the public schools is a relevant education -

That's what we provide around the world. USA... it's a bit more difficult, largely because the staff really is not accountable to DELIVERY / RESULTS of effective objectives. (A LARGE step beyond 'goals')
 
Old 10-04-2023, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I trust the 'stated goals' of the public schools is a relevant education -

That's what we provide around the world. USA... it's a bit more difficult, largely because the staff really is not accountable to DELIVERY / RESULTS of effective objectives. (A LARGE step beyond 'goals')
Another vague post to denigrate public schools. Where is the substance?
 
Old 10-04-2023, 04:17 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Another vague post to denigrate public schools. Where is the substance?
Public School Failures?
Just check the international annual HS test scores,

or... hire 20 - 40 USA HS grads / yr.

That will provide adequate 'substance'.
 
Old 10-04-2023, 04:59 PM
 
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I'm always amazed at how oblivious most people appear to me on what is the most fundamental of problems that schools face. That is the fact that there is a significant population of children who are behind at the beginning of formal education. They have not met the developmental benchmarks for a typical 5-year-old. In some pockets of extreme deprivation, such as in rural areas and in the inner city, it is not unusual for children to be 50% behind in their abilities. That is, kindergarten students arriving at age 5 with the verbal and motor skills of a 2-1/2-year-old.

If you want to build a stronger school system, it seems obvious that you need to start with stronger students. Now in the 21st century, we should be basing our schooling both on successful heritage practices of the past and also on the discoveries in neuroscience and their applications for the "learning/teaching industry." It makes no sense at all to know from research that early childhood experience is the make-or-break factor in school readiness and then STILL not implement what the research demonstrates are best practices.

Instead we default to a variety of practices, most of which are based on the choices of parents, who may have no understanding whatsoever of child development. All it takes to be a parent is for a guy to have an orgasm within reach of a ripe ovum. The resulting child is the one whose next 60 months of experiences will ready them for school adequately or not.

If parents aren't adequately preparing their children for formal education in the 60 months granted to them, what are the schools to do?
 
Old 10-04-2023, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Public School Failures?
Just check the international annual HS test scores,

or... hire 20 - 40 USA HS grads / yr.

That will provide adequate 'substance'.
Anyone can point out the problems. Where are your substantitve -- not vague -- suggestions for improvement?
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