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Old 10-12-2023, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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I agree with you. It's a simply acknowledgement of the fact that, magical thinking aside, not everyone should go to college. The idea that a high school education should enable each student to go to college if they want is the magical thinking that harms all students. We seem to be in general agreement.
My wife was telling me that years ago, someone came up with the idea of starting of starting a vocational program in our district. The admin at the time shot it down saying that our district is a "college prep" district.
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Old 10-12-2023, 03:51 PM
 
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i got a 13 on act
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Old 10-12-2023, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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My wife was telling me that years ago, someone came up with the idea of starting of starting a vocational program in our district. The admin at the time shot it down saying that our district is a "college prep" district.
I wonder if that's true.
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Old 10-12-2023, 04:19 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I wonder if that's true.
Our common former system touts itself as such by fostering a "College Going Culture". You read it in almost every press release and statement.
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Old 10-12-2023, 04:58 PM
 
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The state of Mississippi is one that administers the ACT to every junior during the school day. The low levels of achievement that pervade the state are now influencing the national average. Who is surprised?
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Old 10-12-2023, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Our common former system touts itself as such by fostering a "College Going Culture". You read it in almost every press release and statement.
Then they were wrong to do so, and as you and I know...that was a bit of an exaggeration.

I'd much prefer something like: "We keep doors open for students' futures".
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Old 10-12-2023, 05:53 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The state of Mississippi is one that administers the ACT to every junior during the school day. The low levels of achievement that pervade the state are now influencing the national average. Who is surprised?
The people surprised are educational theorists at universities and think tanks, curriculum developers, Superintendents, testing specialists, elected officials.
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Old 10-12-2023, 08:03 PM
 
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I am appalled that you don't think a student should be able to go to college if that is what they aspire to do. That reminds me too much of authoritarianism thinking.
That is the fundamental level of magical thinking that has led to the education problem we have today. The only way to do what you propose is to bring all standards down to the lowest common denominator. Which is better -- give someone a truthful evaluation of their skills and abilities or lie to them just to set them up for debt?
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Old 10-13-2023, 09:44 AM
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Location: New York Area
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I found an article showing the average SAT at private schools in 2016, the last year to use the 2400 maximum score, was 1645 in independent privates and 1594 in religious privates. If we average them together that's about 1620 out of 2400, or .675. https://capenetwork.org/sat-scores-d...ype-of-school/

For 2023-2024, the average private school SAT score is 1229 out of 1600, or .768. https://www.privateschoolreview.com/.../national-data

So, the trend looks to be actually improving for privates if these figures are correct.
I went public. I took the PSAT in October 1973, and the SAT in May and October 1974. My May 1974 SAT's (if my poor memory serves) were 620 verbal, 670 math. Accordingly I "crammed" for the verbal and in October 1974 got 700 Verbal 620 Math. Thus, and I don't know if you can still do this, my combined was 1370 out of 1600, adding my best scores together. Do they still allow that?
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Old 10-13-2023, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Our common former system touts itself as such by fostering a "College Going Culture". You read it in almost every press release and statement.
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Then they were wrong to do so, and as you and I know...that was a bit of an exaggeration.

I'd much prefer something like: "We keep doors open for students' futures".
A few years ago I had occasion to visit Lincoln Leadership Academy in Allentown, PA, a charter school that caters about 100% to the children of Spanish-speaking immigrants. The walls of the administration area were literally papered with acceptance letters from the local county college, and a few from area 4-year state-system universities (I looked, but I didn't see any from selective colleges -- they would have been prominent).

It's not just rich towns that push the "college going culture", even if they mean 2-year junior college. Some of those bilingual LLA kids are probably doing jobs now that don't require college, and may even be successful and happy. In fact, Pennsylvania recently announced they were doing away with the college requirement for many state jobs. That's good because it relieves the pressure of the "loan-taking culture" on poor kids.
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