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Old 11-11-2023, 09:30 PM
 
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I don't have access to the article, but I can attest to the horrible effects of teaching in a school where we don't have the right to confiscate (or get any other adult to confiscate) phones. I am strict with my students, and I file referrals for dissenters, so I have far fewer problems than many teachers. However, as listed above, attempts at enforcement by teachers is inconsistent, and admin overall takes the head in the sand approach. Do you think a teen without a family history of strong academics (or even often one with parents who went to college) is going to choose watching TikTok or an adult trying to teach them something? Yeah, it's almost always the first one when that teen knows almost nothing will come of having the phone out.

Sorry, I don't think having phones available for the recording of things like fights or things people say is a reason to let phones be around. So many kids take photos without people's permission, record things, watch sports games, play games, send messages (which can be for arranging fights), etc. Kids who aren't even legal adults yet are not generally mature.

I could go on and on, but good God, the damage technology has done to schooling is so layered and troubling.
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Old 11-11-2023, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I don't have access to the article, but I can attest to the horrible effects of teaching in a school where we don't have the right to confiscate (or get any other adult to confiscate) phones. I am strict with my students, and I file referrals for dissenters, so I have far fewer problems than many teachers. However, as listed above, attempts at enforcement by teachers is inconsistent, and admin overall takes the head in the sand approach. Do you think a teen without a family history of strong academics (or even often one with parents who went to college) is going to choose watching TikTok or an adult trying to teach them something? Yeah, it's almost always the first one when that teen knows almost nothing will come of having the phone out.

Sorry, I don't think having phones available for the recording of things like fights or things people say is a reason to let phones be around. So many kids take photos without people's permission, record things, watch sports games, play games, send messages (which can be for arranging fights), etc. Kids who aren't even legal adults yet are not generally mature.

I could go on and on, but good God, the damage technology has done to schooling is so layered and troubling.
I agree. Although it is a bit of a mixed blessing.
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Old 11-12-2023, 02:13 AM
 
Location: Plano, TX
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No need for phones in classrooms; okay in lockers.
During the Covid-19/post-Covid-19 stupidity, apparently some schools got rid of lockers for middle and high school students. Students don't need lockers, also they don't need physical books, ... their textbooks are digital now.
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Old 11-12-2023, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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I used to be against phones in the classroom, but have become more for it, for the reason you presented, for potential video recordings during fights in schools (needed for evidence because somehow, the bully gets excused), and better communication in the event of an emergency. There are times I wish we'd had them when I was in school for proof of the bullying that went on.
Schools have cameras everywhere, no?
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Old 11-12-2023, 05:09 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Schools have cameras everywhere, no?
I doubt it.

With all the bullying and disruptive behavior that goes on in schools, there should definitely be cameras everywhere so there is irrefutable proof.

Schools need to step up to the 21st century.
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Old 11-12-2023, 06:43 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I doubt it.

With all the bullying and disruptive behavior that goes on in schools, there should definitely be cameras everywhere so there is irrefutable proof.

Schools need to step up to the 21st century.
Can't have cameras in the restrooms, where some of it takes place. Most "school" bullying doesn't take place there but in the neighborhoods and on-line, where the school has no authority although parents, and others want it to.

Also, cameras in schools are typically used for "after the fact", looking to see who was involved in a fight or committed vandalism. There's no room with a bank of monitors with someone watching them constantly like you see in the movies.

Cameras also tend to make Administrators lazy. Why be in the hallways when you can stay in your office and watch the them while catching up on your Fantasy Sports leagues or, even in some cases, when you can sit on your living room couch in your jammies.
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Old 11-12-2023, 06:44 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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A teacher where I live was severely beaten by a student when she tried to take his phone away.
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Old 11-12-2023, 08:55 AM
 
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It's not hard to ban them if you install jamming equipment.
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Old 11-12-2023, 09:09 AM
 
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No wonder the high school kids we hire can't put their phones down. I didn't realize the phones were allowed in the classroom.

But I do see how they would be useful for proof in a bad situation or in an emergency.
How and why; do schools no longer have a land line whereby parents can reach teachers/students? I'm sure there have been "emergencies" in the past that were handled this way. I'm equally sure the large majority of communication between parents and students via cell phones on a daily basis is NOT "an emergency."
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Old 11-12-2023, 09:09 AM
 
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Schools have cameras everywhere, no?
Perhaps some, somewhere do. But in general, nope.

Looking at bigger issues, we've already had discussions on CD and you can find them as well in news reports and other internet platforms as well, that with so much on line during COVID, many teachers were upset that PARENTS could see and hear what they said in class.

I was very happy when cell phones became something you could afford for children. It provided a second path of communication to my children if needed. I had already learned not to trust the school system to do the right thing in event of an emergency. In elementary school my child broke a hand on the playground. No one's fault, playground accident. But what the school did in response was their fault. They did nothing. They did not call us. The let that child go through the entire rest of the day with a broken hand until I picked her up from the afterschool program. They knew the child had been hurt and said nothing and did nothing.
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