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Old 12-21-2023, 04:41 PM
 
Location: WA
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I agree with your points, but I have to point out that schools do have girls showing up with nothing but bootie shorts and sports bras.
If they tried that here in Vancouver WA which is not a particularly conservative place being a suburb of Portland, what would happen is the following:

1. The girl would be sent down to the office and it would be explained to her what she is doing that is out of dress code. Then she would be given three choices: (1) put something else on if she has other clothes in her possession or locker (which they usually do), (2) change into clothes provided by the school which are athletic sweats pants and sweatshirt with the school logo on it, (3) or call a parent to bring a change of clothes down to the school to change into.

If the girl opts for one of those three options then she is sent back to class after changing and nothing more is done about it. This is how 98% of these cases get resolved. The girl was pushing the envelope and knew it and got caught. In fact they almost always have a change of clothes with them since they know what they are doing.

If she is defiant and refuses then she'll likely be sent to ISS (in school suspension) for the remainder of the school day and possibly get suspended depending on how many times they have dealt with her. What will most certainly NOT happen is getting sent back to class without changing. At ISS they are sitting quietly at cubical stations doing their work or zoning out. No talking or interactions with other students is allowed if there are other students there for other violations. And they have to check in their phones. Kids tire of that very quickly.

The schools try to make it a learning experience and not a power struggle. But they also aren't going to cave. And 99% of parents are in FULL support. Most of them have absolutely no idea how their kids are dressed and usually that wasn't how they were dressed when they left home (hence the change of clothes). And that is also why most girls quickly agree to change rather than have their moms get called down to the school from work. More often than not that means there will be hell to pay.

Oh, and boys also get dress coded. Usually it is athletes who are wearing running shorts and tank tops to class during the warm months. Sleeveless tops and short shorts are not allowed whether you are a boy or girl. The same exact standard applies. Boys will usually just put on the jeans and hoodies or t-shirts that they already have with them. But boys tend not to fight it as much as some girls do.
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Old 12-21-2023, 04:45 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Just out of curiosity.....does he get around and function?

And the reason I ask is that our district...in regard to clothing...operated based on what, as I recall, was a federal district court decision that dealt with inflammatory language on a t-shirt. That decision may have been modified greatly since then, but at the time it basically said that a school can't say something on a t-shirt causes disruption...unless it actually causes disruption.
A funny story, maybe.

This was back when the high school was still majority White, so early 90s.

Anyway, the Black kids started to wear shirts with, usually, Mickey and Minnie Mouse holding hands with the phrase "A 40 and a blunt is all I want". None of the Administration and only a couple of the then majority White staff knew what was being said (keeping in mind that the then dress code prohibited advocacy of drug or alcohol use) so these shirts went on for months.

Finally one of the VPs asked me what exactly was being said so told him that it just might be a violation due to the drug/alcohol piece. He still had to have someone explain it to him because I was laughing so hard I couldn't.

So here's Mr. Whitebread more connected to what's going on than staff who mostly grew up in the area and were more aware of pop culture than me. As a note most of the Black staff, except the younger ones, were also clueless.
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Old 12-21-2023, 05:02 PM
 
Location: WA
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Dress code stories from the early 2000s in Waco Texas at my first teaching job.

One spring there was a rash of students wearing flip flops which were out of dress code. So the school was trying to crack down on students wearing flip flops around school.

One morning during announcements the principal came on the speakers. She was an older "battle axe" sort of woman with no sense of humor but her youngest daughter was also attending the school. So she comes on the announcements and tells all the teachers: "Staff, I need you to all do a "thong inspection" this morning and send any students who are out of compliance down to the office"

A couple of us male science teachers were looking at each other thinking "what on earth?" Are we supposed to make these girls strip to check if they are wearing thongs?"

And then her daughter burst out her classroom door in tears and ran down to the office where she screamed "MOTHER...HOW COULD YOU!!!!"

Only later did I learn that to older Texans of a certain age, thongs = flip flops. But I doubt there was a single student in the school who knew that. "Thong inspections" were the school buzzword for a couple of years after that.

That same year the same principal was patrolling the hallways and stopped at the classroom across from me where there was a student teacher from Baylor running the AP Biology class. She paused, stopped, and then walked in and marched back out with the student teacher in tow. She was this tall gorgeous blonde sorority type who had on a tight short jean skirt, long tanned legs with sandals, and some sort of tight t-top. From my desk in the room across the hall I had a full view of the whole interaction which went like this: "the principal motioned up and down at her clothing and said "Young lady. This is absolutely not going to work in a classroom of HS boys. Why don't you take yourself home and come back and try again tomorrow"

That was the first and only time I ever saw a teacher get dress coded at school, even if it was a young student teacher!
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Old 12-21-2023, 05:38 PM
 
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Dress code stories from the early 2000s in Waco Texas at my first teaching job.

One spring there was a rash of students wearing flip flops which were out of dress code. So the school was trying to crack down on students wearing flip flops around school.

One morning during announcements the principal came on the speakers. She was an older "battle axe" sort of woman with no sense of humor but her youngest daughter was also attending the school. So she comes on the announcements and tells all the teachers: "Staff, I need you to all do a "thong inspection" this morning and send any students who are out of compliance down to the office"

A couple of us male science teachers were looking at each other thinking "what on earth?" Are we supposed to make these girls strip to check if they are wearing thongs?"

And then her daughter burst out her classroom door in tears and ran down to the office where she screamed "MOTHER...HOW COULD YOU!!!!"

Only later did I learn that to older Texans of a certain age, thongs = flip flops. But I doubt there was a single student in the school who knew that. "Thong inspections" were the school buzzword for a couple of years after that.

That same year the same principal was patrolling the hallways and stopped at the classroom across from me where there was a student teacher from Baylor running the AP Biology class. She paused, stopped, and then walked in and marched back out with the student teacher in tow. She was this tall gorgeous blonde sorority type who had on a tight short jean skirt, long tanned legs with sandals, and some sort of tight t-top. From my desk in the room across the hall I had a full view of the whole interaction which went like this: "the principal motioned up and down at her clothing and said "Young lady. This is absolutely not going to work in a classroom of HS boys. Why don't you take yourself home and come back and try again tomorrow"

That was the first and only time I ever saw a teacher get dress coded at school, even if it was a young student teacher!

We had a young art teacher who was sent home quite a few times for dress code violations, mostly spaghetti strap dresses. Sometimes it seemed as if she did it on purpose because the students would intimidate her for being young, pretty, and very out of place in an inner-city school. Surprisingly, she lasted just over a year, one of a series of aspiring young art teachers who learned things about kids that they never expected.
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Old 12-21-2023, 09:07 PM
 
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That same year the same principal was patrolling the hallways and stopped at the classroom across from me where there was a student teacher from Baylor running the AP Biology class. She paused, stopped, and then walked in and marched back out with the student teacher in tow. She was this tall gorgeous blonde sorority type who had on a tight short jean skirt, long tanned legs with sandals, and some sort of tight t-top. From my desk in the room across the hall I had a full view of the whole interaction which went like this: "the principal motioned up and down at her clothing and said "Young lady. This is absolutely not going to work in a classroom of HS boys. Why don't you take yourself home and come back and try again tomorrow"

That was the first and only time I ever saw a teacher get dress coded at school, even if it was a young student teacher!
Kind of a funny, but opposite story. My kid's high school had a thing where they asked some of the seniors to be escorts for the first day of the year. Kind of point new students in the right direction, help new teacher and staff get around, assist parents with orientation, that sort of thing. Well, my oldest got up early, fixed her hair and makeup, and put on a nice, skirted suit. Went to school early. Got invited into the teacher's orientation breakfast. All day long teachers and staff were asking her about the school, what subject she taught, etc. Even some of the staff who knew her somehow brain flipped and thought she had graduated college and had come back to teach. She had to tell them she was just a senior and would be in their class tomorrow.

Amazing what suit could do.
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Old 12-22-2023, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Kind of a funny, but opposite story. My kid's high school had a thing where they asked some of the seniors to be escorts for the first day of the year. Kind of point new students in the right direction, help new teacher and staff get around, assist parents with orientation, that sort of thing. Well, my oldest got up early, fixed her hair and makeup, and put on a nice, skirted suit. Went to school early. Got invited into the teacher's orientation breakfast. All day long teachers and staff were asking her about the school, what subject she taught, etc. Even some of the staff who knew her somehow brain flipped and thought she had graduated college and had come back to teach. She had to tell them she was just a senior and would be in their class tomorrow.

Amazing what suit could do.
Adds credence to "Dress for Success".

If you want to be taken seriously, at school OR business, how you dress DOES matter.
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Old 12-22-2023, 11:02 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Just out of curiosity.....does he get around and function?

And the reason I ask is that our district...in regard to clothing...operated based on what, as I recall, was a federal district court decision that dealt with inflammatory language on a t-shirt. That decision may have been modified greatly since then, but at the time it basically said that a school can't say something on a t-shirt causes disruption...unless it actually causes disruption.
Obviously these boys get around physically, but I wonder how much it affects their ability to read and focus on any type of class work when they can't see what they are doing.
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