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Old 02-18-2024, 08:12 AM
 
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It's the same with AI now. My daughter has explained to her class that AI isn't allowed. She has a program to run the papers through to spot AI. Of course, the kids claim they didn't know it was plagiarism.

AI is the new way to cheat.
I wonder if that program uses AI to spot AI.

I'm sure the kids didn't know it was plagiarism. So many of the rules we live by haven't been updated to accommodate AI. Just read a news article the other day. Down at the bottom it had a note in fine print, beneath the ads "This article was generated by AI using sources." If you Google something and it generates an AI answer using "sources", how do you even attribute that? To Google? To an unidentified AI? To unknown "sources?" How do you validate it?
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Old 02-18-2024, 09:32 AM
 
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I wonder if that program uses AI to spot AI.

I'm sure the kids didn't know it was plagiarism. So many of the rules we live by haven't been updated to accommodate AI. Just read a news article the other day. Down at the bottom it had a note in fine print, beneath the ads "This article was generated by AI using sources." If you Google something and it generates an AI answer using "sources", how do you even attribute that? To Google? To an unidentified AI? To unknown "sources?" How do you validate it?
So, if you suspect that, you require the individual to submit to 20 questions about the topic.
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Old 02-18-2024, 12:52 PM
 
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So, if you suspect that, you require the individual to submit to 20 questions about the topic.
I'm OK with that.

But I was trying to get to something deeper in how AI plays into things. Let's say a student Googles up "left-handed monkey wrenches." And besides getting links toward texts or newspaper articles on left-handed monkey wrenches (which have standards for citing and quoting), Google also serves up an "article" created on the spot by an AI. How do you cite something created by AI? How do you even know?

I'm not trying to be offhanded with these comments. It's already become a concern at higher levels where AI produces journal articles with fictious citations to other nonexistent journal articles.
https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/...ake-citations/
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Old 02-19-2024, 07:57 AM
 
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So, if you suspect that, you require the individual to submit to 20 questions about the topic.
My daughter is an English teacher. Her students are writing essays on literary themes or creative writing assignments. Students try to pass off AI as their own work to fill up the pages.
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Old 02-19-2024, 04:21 PM
 
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My daughter is an English teacher. Her students are writing essays on literary themes or creative writing assignments. Students try to pass off AI as their own work to fill up the pages.
AI can be wonderful or terrible. Like many other things, it depends on how humans use it.
When I did the OP I was thinking back to my student days, many years ago. At that time, none of the communication elements we have today existed. By the way, things have changed a lot technologically. But the behavior of humans had almost no change (unfortunately)
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Old 02-19-2024, 05:18 PM
 
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My daughter is an English teacher. Her students are writing essays on literary themes or creative writing assignments. Students try to pass off AI as their own work to fill up the pages.
I expect teachers will be going back to the old blue composition and exam books where you wrote out essays long-hand with paper and pencil. At least for tests and other assignments.
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Old 02-19-2024, 07:02 PM
 
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I expect teachers will be going back to the old blue composition and exam books where you wrote out essays long-hand with paper and pencil. At least for tests and other assignments.
Well, that's exactly what happened with tests. For the yearly term paper, my daughter looks at each term papers history. I don't know how it works, but she ask the student to look at the history of keystrokes. If a paper goes from one to ten pages in five minutes, she knows it's AI or cut and paste.
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