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booker_one · 08-14-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by charolastra00

More like the kids with parents who bought into the subprime mortgage bit, who don't know how to manage their finances, have lost their jobs in this economy, or who are just struggling. Those issues transcend any other social segregator.

And anyway, in my experience as the daughter of an ESL teacher and a long time ESL volunteer when I was in high school, the illegals were some of the most prepared and ready to learn students in the school.

as a current teacher in texas.....those illegals have no desire to learn whatsoever. i lived around hispanics growing up..(not a whole lot) and once i started teaching in the houston area i have since become somewhat racist because of all the illegals in the area. their parents work hard but most of these kids join gangs and are for the most part worthless. go ahead and give me a hard time. i am not going to sugarcoat anything.

pennquaker09 · 08-14-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tgbwc

My son's list of supplies is quite long and to me excessive. I questioned this of my son's school district. They have school based management and choose to use much of their budget to keep class sizes down (although I teach in another County without school based management of the budget and our class sizes are about the same). The reply from the area superintendent basically said that the community has always supported the requests of the school, which enabled them to spend money on other things, such as staff. I won't send in reams of paper or soap that they ask for. I will send scissors, glue, crayons etc. for my own child. They ask for 12 glue sticks so that they can distribute them to art, music, etc. I send him with two and tell the teacher, "When he needs more I'll send them".

Kind of selfish, but that's just my opinion.

pennquaker09 · 08-14-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by booker_one

as a current teacher in texas.....those illegals have no desire to learn whatsoever. i lived around hispanics growing up..(not a whole lot) and once i started teaching in the houston area i have since become somewhat racist because of all the illegals in the area. their parents work hard but most of these kids join gangs and are for the most part worthless. go ahead and give me a hard time. i am not going to sugarcoat anything.

Okay. Your post probably wouldn't have angered me if you had not identified yourself as a teacher. Quite frankly, you're not what the profession needs. You're grouping a whole nationality together and that's just not right. Maybe they want to learn from you because you don't do a good job inspiring them to learn.

pennquaker09 · 08-14-2008, 08:06 PM

Unless it is a school in an affluent district, there are going to be issues with funding. It's the nature of education. I know that in my home state of Alabama, they cut the budgets of the universities to lessen the blow on the K -12 level. Conversely, here in New Jersey, I live in one of the most highly funded districts, mainly because the residents pay higher property taxes. Systems that rely on the state will always seem to be underfunded.

I trained as a high school teacher, and for the subjects thats I taught, a lot of the supplies for the classes came from my own pocket. I probably spent about 5000+ last year.

booker_one · 08-14-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pennquaker09

Okay. Your post probably wouldn't have angered me if you had not identified yourself as a teacher. Quite frankly, you're not what the profession needs. You're grouping a whole nationality together and that's just not right. Maybe they want to learn from you because you don't do a good job inspiring them to learn.

i could honestly care less if it angered you. should i have said the politically correct thing?

pennquaker09 · 08-14-2008, 08:26 PM

You should have kept it to yourself. You represent a profession I happen to be a part of and a true teacher would never say that.

tgbwc · 08-14-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pennquaker09

Kind of selfish, but that's just my opinion.

I agree that it is justifiably selfish. Come on...12 glue sticks? 29 pocket folders of varying colors? The list is just way too long. The school should provide materials such as glue and crayons for specialists. It is not a poor school, but they ask for too much. I have taught elementary students for 15 years in an upper middle class area and we have never asked students to bring in as much as he has been asked to bring in. Leftover materials I donate at the county supervisor's office for those who are needy.

katenik · 08-14-2008, 08:49 PM

there's a long thread on the topic of school supplies here somewhere. i believe it was started about this time last year. when i was teaching, there was very little that we could ask students to provide themselves, and i had no idea about these elaborate school supply lists that seem to be the norm in other places before reading about them here. i WISH i could have asked my students to bring kleenex and lysol! HA!

pennquaker09 · 08-14-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tgbwc

I agree that it is justifiably selfish. Come on...12 glue sticks? 29 pocket folders of varying colors? The list is just way too long. The school should provide materials such as glue and crayons for specialists. It is not a poor school, but they ask for too much. I have taught elementary students for 15 years in an upper middle class area and we have never asked students to bring in as much as he has been asked to bring in. Leftover materials I donate at the county supervisor's office for those who are needy.

Twenty Nine folders? Well, my word.

tgbwc · 08-14-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pennquaker09

Okay. Your post probably wouldn't have angered me if you had not identified yourself as a teacher. Quite frankly, you're not what the profession needs. You're grouping a whole nationality together and that's just not right. Maybe they want to learn from you because you don't do a good job inspiring them to learn.

The post shouldn't have grouped Hispanics, but is making a point about illegals. Much of this thread is about school funding, or the lack thereof. Illegal aliens are not paying the same taxes as legal citizens, yet they are using the same services.