El Paso vs. Albuquerque (Dallas, Fort Worth: homes, rent, travel)

[Muhnay]

I think you need to check again.. the land the roads run on is Indian land.. and is only on loan to New Mexico... for certain trade offs. But then again I maybe wrong about this.

[abqsunport]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

I think you need to check again.. the land the roads run on is Indian land.. and is only on loan to New Mexico... for certain trade offs. But then again I maybe wrong about this.

I am not sure about this, but this is how it has been explained to me from one of my friends at the BIA.

Technically, Indian reservations are Federal Land in trust to Native Americans. Federal Law is supreme to Indian Law.
Indian Law is above State law (I am not sure about this).
So I would assume that the Interstates are regulated and controlled by the Federal Government and therefore the Natives would have no control over any of this.

Thats how I think it is. Not sure though.

Here is all I could find that shed light on the matter:

Commerce Clause: Commerce Clause - Power To Regulate, Acts Constituting Commerce, Agencies And Instrumentalities Of Commerce, Business Affecting Commerce

Check out this too:
Native American Rights - Federal Power Over Native American Rights

[Muhnay]

I found a web site.. and it ha lots of legal language.. im not a lawyer, so its a tad confusing for me.. but here is one part I found in it.. see if you understand it any better than I.

Indian Country
The definition of Indian Country, 18 U.S.C. 1151, has to do with jurisdiction as opposed to land issues. It began defining Indian Country for purposes of defining the application of federal criminal law and has come to be used to define the scope of civil jurisdiction to a large degree. Oklahoma Tax Comm'n v. Sac and Fox Nation , 508 U.S. 114 (1993); California v. Cabazon Band of Mission Indians , 480 U.S. 202, 207 n.5 (1987). Three types of Indian Country are defined (a) all lands within the limits of any Indian reservation under the jurisdiction of the United States Government, notwithstanding the issuance of any patent and including any rights-of-way running through the reservation, (b) all dependent Indian communities within the borders of the United States and (c) all Indian allotments, the Indian titles to which have not been extinguished, including rights-of-way running through the same.

Found on this site.. ( Indian Lands )

I also found this..

September 1998: A federal court cited a treaty between the Sandia Pueblo and the King of Spain to restore thousands of acres of land surrounding the city of Albuquerque (including land under the governor's house).

More Legal language.. this is pretty good info though. Explains a lot.

Attorney General June 1, 1995 Memorandum on Indian Sovereignty

And even more Legal language.. =)

Indian Tribal Sovereignty: It's Alive

I think this explains that Indian Lands are not part of the US, but are independent Nations unto them selves.

[6/3]

I doubt that Sandia and Isleta
Pueblos would ever try to close the interstate as its a federal built Highway and also their are no Pueblo lands on I-40 east by the mountain so that would never be effected by this but more importantly with them both spending hundreds of millions to build these brand new Casinos and the ajoining Hotels next to them that would be suicide to their economies and finances.

I heard that the Inn Of The Mountain Gids is in the red big time as they spent ....200 million ?? on their new Resort and the tourism for them has not owned up to what they thought it would be so they are more or less begging tourists to go there and spend their monies.

Before Casinos and Hotels on their Reservations maybe.they would/could play that game....but now with those resorts on their Rez .....not a chance. They also employ thousands of thier own tribal members so there would be layoffs and the members would revolt and throw the leaders out of office as they are elected just like our own elections.

[observe]

Originally Posted by 6 FOOT 3

I doubt that Sandia and Isleta
Pueblos would ever try to close the interstate as its a federal built Highway and also their are no Pueblo lands on I-40 east by the mountain so that would never be effected by this but more importantly with them both spending hundreds of millions to build these brand new Casinos and the ajoining Hotels next to them that would be suicide to their economies and finances.

I heard that the Inn Of The Mountain Gids is in the red big time as they spent ....200 million ?? on their new Resort and the tourism for them has not owned up to what they thought it would be so they are more or less begging tourists to go there and spend their monies.

Before Casinos and Hotels on their Reservations maybe.they would/could play that game....but now with those resorts on their Rez .....not a chance. They also employ thousands of thier own tribal members so there would be layoffs and the members would revolt and throw the leaders out of office as they are elected just like our own elections.

I remember a few years ago the Pojaque Reservation (not sure on spelling ) Had a problem with the gaming pacts beetween the state & Indian casinos. The governor of pojaque threatened to close the HWY north of Santa Fe. However they resolved their problem proir to it actually happening, the State actually got what they wanted...so I think there may have been some friendly persuasion by the Feds.

[6/3]

Originally Posted by observe

I remember a few years ago the Pojaque Reservation (not sure on spelling ) Had a problem with the gaming pacts beetween the state & Indian casinos. The governor of pojaque threatened to close the HWY north of Santa Fe. However they resolved their problem proir to it actually happening, the State actually got what they wanted...so I think there may have been some friendly persuasion by the Feds.

Back in the late 90's they threatened to close a State Highway and not a Federal Interstate. The key phrase is ''Gaming Compacts'' as that has been long resolved and now Pojoaque is building a HUGE Resort complex so the same applies to them as the others in that if they closed a highway then they would strangle themselves financially as the Gaming and Tourism Revenues are enriching these once poor Pueblos.

I feel bad for the Ysleta pueblo (cousins to the Isleta's) as the state of Texas shut them down.

[abqsunport]

Originally Posted by 6 FOOT 3

Back in the late 90's they threatened to close a State Highway and not a Federal Interstate.

Right, I think that they do have control in their Sovereign Nation over some state law, but not over Federal Law. That is how I think it is.

[Muhnay]

El Paso is the seat of El Paso County in the U.S. state of Texas and part of the American Southwest. According to the 2006 U.S. Census population estimates, the city had a population of 609,415[1]. It is the sixth-largest city in Texas and the 21st-largest city in the United States, as well as the 7th fastest growing large city in the nation from 2000-2006 [2]. Its metropolitan area covers all of El Paso County and has a population of 736,310.[3]

It stands on the Rio Grande (Río Bravo del Norte), across the border from Ciudad Juárez. The two cities form a metropolitan area of 2,280,782

Data from - El Paso, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Albuquerque (pronounced /ˈælbəkɝkiː/, Spanish IPA: [alβuˈkeɾke]; known as Bee'eldííldahsinil in Navajo) is the largest city in the state of New Mexico, United States. It is the county seat of Bernalillo County and is situated in the central part of the state, straddling the Rio Grande. The city population was 448,607 as of the 2000 U.S. census. As of the 2006 census estimate, the city's population was 504,949, with a metropolitan population of 816,811 as of July 1, 2006. In 2006, Albuquerque ranked as the 33rd-largest city and 61st-largest metropolitan area in the U.S. The Albuquerque MSA population includes the city of Rio Rancho, one of the fastest growing cities in the United States, a hub for many master-planned communities which are expected to draw future businesses and residents to the area.

Data From - Albuquerque, New Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[abqsunport]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

Data from - El Paso, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Data From - Albuquerque, New Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for the post Muhnay, but what are you trying to present? I don't see the point you are trying to make.

[Muhnay]

The thread is about the two cities.. I was posting data on both of them.

there was also debate about the size of the two areas.. and the stats above prove there are far more people in the El Paso/Juarez metro.

Where we have you beat on City populations, you have beat on metros if we don't include Juarez.. but I don't know how we cant include them they are a major factor of El Paso.

Both seem to be on a path of increases, both in population, and in business. But I will say ABQ. does have a better track record on pay rates than El Paso does.