Brand New Development for El Paso?? (Houston, Paris: disposing, price, shopping centers)
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JJ bashes the Fountains Mall idea, and then post how we should put this in our city. Come on people.. you cant have it both ways. You like how he thinks, oh please.. What business he ask.. Like ASARCO! Dude you do know that you can not build on that land even if ASARCO was gone tomorrow.. the clean up on the soil would be more than the cost of the project you propose. ( when I first saw the plan I thought it was higher up and not on the ASARCO site. ) JJ you cant bash people in the head for wanting the upscale mall and argue how it would never be supported here and then turn around and propose this flaky idea. Dude please pass the "WHAT EVER YOUR ON" to the left and share.. I want to see the pretty colors too.
Really they are going to build something like this in El Paso:
Uhm that is called a MALL, and it has already be discussed that El Paso does not need another one. I think your grape vine is full of something other than grapes.
First of all, I was against The Fountains because of the fact that it was proposed as something that it wasn't going to be (from looking at what Regency has worked on before). Additionally, what I said about upscale not being able to survive was that high-end upscale stores will never be found in El Paso (at least not in our lifetime unless some MAJOR changes are made to the job market here), but that some of the lower-end upscale stores might be able to survive in the near future with the right plan and project. I think the idea (yes, it's just an idea, not some plan that is being looked at or anything) I came up with could work if it had the right kind of people and developers behind it.
Also, as for you saying the cleanup of the site would cost more than the cost of the project I proposed: I don't remember even providing any cost estimates so where are you getting your data from! As a matter of fact, the project can even be quite cost effective if you really think about it:
Cleanup of the Asarco site: a LARGE amount of the tainted soil wouldn't even have to be cleaned up because of the simple fact it will be dug out for the lake. As for any remaining cleanup, sure, the city or county might have to pay for some of it, but I am more than positive that our local and state government officials can get us some federal assistance - the Environmental Protection Agency, for example, would definitely be for the project and therefore be willing to pay for a large majority of the cleanup costs - if not all of it. If this were the case, most of the cost of actually constructing the lake would be covered by the EPA as well as the construction of the lake would actually be considered part of the cleanup!
Also, the city/county would really only end up having to pay a small percentage of the total cost of the project. This type of project would definitely bring in lots of private funds as well. Private developers would come in to build the vairous hotels, residential, commercial, and retail space at no cost to the city. The city or county would, of course, have to pay for things like making sure all utilities are available and any city structures like the park I suggested and aquarium (which even that could come from private funs - Paul L. Foster National Aquarium anyone? ), etc.
I hadn't actually gone so for as to think of cost feasability Muhnay, it was more of just an "idea" - one of those "if only" thoughts. But after your comments on cost...that made me think...and when you really put some thought into it the cost to the city would be much lower than most would assume. And it would be well worth it once it all came together!
Wow! Cool idea. Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but I think we all know that won't happen
I know exactly how you feel Bree. But, hey - why not?!
Why not El Paso? People in El Paso never have any hope or ambition! (Not singleing you out or anything Bree )
If this city would just believe in itself every once in a while and move forward with a big idea we might just go somewhere!
Why not? Why not El Paso? We are the 21st largest city in the country! We are bigegr than Boston and Atlanta! We don't have the things they do because we do not have the resources within our city to sustain that type of city - but if we move forward with a big project that will bring in new business, new jobs, new destinations, and a better standard of living, then more will follow!
I agree with you! I am new to El Paso and I really do love it here but I wish we would get something like this. I miss these cool things from other cities in which I have lived. I am actually surprised that there are not cooler things in a city of this size. Your idea is great, sell it!
There is no chance in hell this will ever happen. No chance in Heaven or on earth either. Yes its a nice idea.. I am all for dreaming, I am for wishing.. but you know as well as I this idea will never take place. I mean if were gonna wish then lets wish big.. here is my dream of El Paso.
His Idea is a pipe dream nothing more.. it will never happen, no matter how much you kiss his butt over it. I am sorry but JJ barfs on a real idea that could of happened here, and then post some crazy idea that has no hope of ever being a reality and you all praise him like he is some sorta hero. Please..
On the matter of cost.. Ok lets say you dig all the tainted soil up, where are you going to dump it? You cant just dump toxic soil any place you like. Lets say you find a place to dump it.. do you know how much it cost to build Mountain Shadow Lakes? I might add mountain Shadow lakes is now defunct. And As far as I know ASARCO is not going any place any time soon.. Hey I commend you for dreaming, I think its a wonderful idea.. just not gonna happen thats all.
There is no chance in hell this will ever happen. No chance in Heaven or on earth either. Yes its a nice idea.. I am all for dreaming, I am for wishing.. but you know as well as I this idea will never take place. I mean if were gonna wish then lets wish big.. here is my dream of El Paso.
His Idea is a pipe dream nothing more.. it will never happen, no matter how much you kiss his butt over it. I am sorry but JJ barfs on a real idea that could of happened here, and then post some crazy idea that has no hope of ever being a reality and you all praise him like he is some sorta hero. Please..
On the matter of cost.. Ok lets say you dig all the tainted soil up, where are you going to dump it? You cant just dump toxic soil any place you like. Lets say you find a place to dump it.. do you know how much it cost to build Mountain Shadow Lakes? I might add mountain Shadow lakes is now defunct. And As far as I know ASARCO is not going any place any time soon.. Hey I commend you for dreaming, I think its a wonderful idea.. just not gonna happen thats all.
LOL!! Great post Muhnay!
I would love to see something like that, but it would never.. ever happen. A better place for that happening on a much smaller scale, would be in the area where the railroads would be removed in Downtown.. but I also think that it would never happen there either.
I know exactly how you feel Bree. But, hey - why not?!
Why not El Paso? People in El Paso never have any hope or ambition! (Not singleing you out or anything Bree )
If this city would just believe in itself every once in a while and move forward with a big idea we might just go somewhere!
Why not? Why not El Paso? We are the 21st largest city in the country! We are bigegr than Boston and Atlanta! We don't have the things they do because we do not have the resources within our city to sustain that type of city - but if we move forward with a big project that will bring in new business, new jobs, new destinations, and a better standard of living, then more will follow!
You are only bigger than Atlanta because your city limits stretch out for a much larger distance than Atlanta. Anyone who has ever spent a decent amount of time in Atlanta knows it has far far more business, entertainment, shopping, industry, education, etc. than El Paso can dream of.
So I had mentioned in a previous post that I thought it would be a good idea to tear down the Asarco site, clean up the land, and redevelop the whole area and the land on the other side of I-10.
So...being bored today I made a quick mock up of what I think it could be like...
Here's the details:
- Create an artificial lake with two islands and an artificial waterfall on the southeast end.
- The smaller of the two islands would be an all-residential island made up of luxury homes.
- The larger of the two islands would be made up of retail and commercial space with an upscale mall/shopping center right in the center of the island. The mall/shopping center would be a little smaller than Sunland Park Mall (maybe 800,000 sq ft of retail space) and hold about 100 stores. On the north end of the island would be a public destination - I was thinking maybe a large aquarium or something like that. The south end (and any empty space) would consist of other shopping destinations, office space, etc.
- On the perimeter of the lake (mainly on the east side of the lake) would be a large public park on the north end, a marina, a luxury hotel (or two), and various residential and office high rises (maybe between 8-12 floors). the remainder of the space would be occupied by various other developments, maybe a small plot of standard residential housing, a library, some public art, maybe even some type of monument perhaps. At the south end of the east perimeter would be the artificial waterfall that would cascade from the moutain/hillside that eventually meets the Sun Bowl.
I think it could be cool! Of course, it would take a lot of planning and some officials who would be willing to take a chance, but it would definitely bring a lot of new business to the city and create a big tourist destination! So anyway...I did a little cut and pasting from a handful of other cities and here's what I had in mind...
I could definately dig that proposal . Thanks for posting that JJ.......
Sorry man, I just watched as he and Chuco went to town on one another over a "REAL" project that could of taken place in El Paso and how JJ tore it apart and belittled the idea and said it would never fly because El Paso would not support it, and it would not be a real upscale mall ( the Fountains ). And then he comes in here and makes this Post about something that is so far fetched and unreal and so forth.. and then to see you thank him for the flubber, I was confused.
You know what I would like to know.. what the parts are he used to make his picture.. looks really cool. May have to go visit those areas someday. =)
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. Thanks for posting that JJ.......
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