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Old 08-14-2010, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I did a quick google search and it appears his maternal grandfather is dead.

As far as the BC not having the raised seal, that is just the kind of crap the birthers like to kick around. Someone pointed out that only the person or his/her parents can get a copy of a BC in HI, and then one of our great minds on CD said they needed to see the receipt to believe the one posted was really the official one. If the receipt was posted, birthers would say it was bogus. And so on.
I honestly didn't know about his grandfather, that is why I asked. I just knew about grandma, who raised him (well granddad as well)

I will clear one thing up, no the raised seal is not crap: even to get a passport or to board a cruise ship, the only official form of proof that will be accepted is a BC with a raised seal. I know this from many years in the travel business and a lot of traveling prior to becoming a travel consultant. So, that isn't the case, sorry. I will add one thing, there are about 3 or 4 states that do not use a raised seal, but they do use a special stamp that can not or could not be duplicated (I hope anyway)

Remember, I am not doubting his birth location as much as wanting to see the issue put to bed once and for all. I am saying the raised isn't bull or crap.

Nita
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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Hello, of course I saw it and you believe it. That was my point. I am aware you didn't think it up, but you chose to post it didn't you?

NIta
I believe it because they all say or do what the article claims. Right from the horses mouth and you still deny it. Weird.
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Old 08-14-2010, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I believe it because they all say or do what the article claims. Right from the horses mouth and you still deny it. Weird.
you are free to believe what you want, again we are talking opinion and your digging up whatever you can and falling for it. We all have opinions, in case you didn't know opinions are not the same as facts. I have no idea who will win in Nov but to say someone is weak because they made a living in a parituclar field which is neither immoral or illegal is an example of plain rediculous.

Nita
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Old 08-14-2010, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I honestly didn't know about his grandfather, that is why I asked. I just knew about grandma, who raised him (well granddad as well)

I will clear one thing up, no the raised seal is not crap: even to get a passport or to board a cruise ship, the only official form of proof that will be accepted is a BC with a raised seal. I know this from many years in the travel business and a lot of traveling prior to becoming a travel consultant. So, that isn't the case, sorry. I will add one thing, there are about 3 or 4 states that do not use a raised seal, but they do use a special stamp that can not or could not be duplicated (I hope anyway)

Remember, I am not doubting his birth location as much as wanting to see the issue put to bed once and for all. I am saying the raised isn't bull or crap.

Nita
The raised seal isn't bull or crap, I never said it was. What I said was crap was the claim that the birth certificate that he released does not have the raised seal. The issue has been put to bed (to those with even a hint of a brain that is) and has been a couple years ago. It was verified and authenticated by officials in Hawaii including its GOP Governor. None of that is good enough for Deal and the other ass clown birthers.
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Old 08-14-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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It was verified and authenticated by officials in Hawaii including its GOP Governor.
And note that the officials who reviewed the birth certificate were Republicans.

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(I)n May, Hawaii passed a law that allows state agencies to ignore repeated requests to view government records, including the president's birth document. Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle signed the legislation into law.

Around that time, Lingle - who campaigned for Sen. John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008 - criticized questions about the president's birth.

In a WABC interview before signing the legislation, Lingle said, "...I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health." Lingle added, " … The president was in fact born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...iref=allsearch

So the actual certificate has been viewed and verified by the Director of Health of Hawaii, a Republican. Plus there was a birth announcement in the paper that week. But again, short of the heavens spitting open and all of the prophets telling the far right that he was born in Hawaii, no amount of evidence will ever satisfy the birthers. The won't believe it because the don't want to believe it.
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Old 08-15-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The raised seal isn't bull or crap, I never said it was. What I said was crap was the claim that the birth certificate that he released does not have the raised seal. The issue has been put to bed (to those with even a hint of a brain that is) and has been a couple years ago. It was verified and authenticated by officials in Hawaii including its GOP Governor. None of that is good enough for Deal and the other ass clown birthers.
Smash, My response had nothing to do with any comments you have made. Go back and read it, I was referring to something someone else said.

Nita
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Old 08-15-2010, 02:17 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Smash, My response had nothing to do with any comments you have made. Go back and read it, I was referring to something someone else said.

Nita
Well, I didn't mean the seal was crap, either. I just meant that the birthers raise some objection to whatever has been released, even though the Gov of HI has verified the BC. That is why Obama can't settle this issue "for once and for all", no matter what he does.
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Old 08-15-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Well, I didn't mean the seal was crap, either. I just meant that the birthers raise some objection to whatever has been released, even though the Gov of HI has verified the BC. That is why Obama can't settle this issue "for once and for all", no matter what he does.
and I happen to agree about letting this die, but it won't. There are going to be a small number who are always going to make an issue out of this. I am sick and tired of it. I do understand what you are saying now, I don't understand what Smash was saying? I wasn't referring to anything he said, you picked up on that.

Nita
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Old 08-15-2010, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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and I happen to agree about letting this die, but it won't. There are going to be a small number who are always going to make an issue out of this. I am sick and tired of it. I do understand what you are saying now, I don't understand what Smash was saying? I wasn't referring to anything he said, you picked up on that.

Nita
At first I thought your post on the raised seal was directed at me. Anyway, the birthers have argued that Obama's birth certificate was not valid because they claimed it did not have a raised seal. The claim was false, and it was debunked by government officials in Hawaii, including Republicans. They have also verified his birth certificate as authentic and legal.


Anyway the birthers are clowns, nothing is going to make them think otherwise. We have newspaper record in Hawaii at the time of his birth announcing it, birth certificate that has been released to the public, authenticated by the government of Hawaii, including high level Republicans in the state,, and its still not enough for these clowns. Nothing will ever be enough for them.

People will always have asinine conspiracies that fly in the face of all the facts. However, you generally expect someone who is nominated by their party to run for Governor to be above this conspiracy nonsense. That is not the case with Deal. This type of stuff might not exactly make him a weak candidate in his old Congressional District (which is one of most conservative districts in the entire country), but even in a generally conservative state like Georgia, being that far out there, being that extreme does make you a weak candidate.
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