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View Poll Results: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of John McCain?
Favorable 18 34.62%
Unfavorable 31 59.62%
No opinion 3 5.77%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-25-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: FL
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McCain2010, the John McCain adamantly opposed to the John McCain-Ted Kennedy immigration reform bill co-sponsored by McCain2005.

He's against it after he was for it.

Kinda mavericky in a weird anti-maverick sorta way...
I think he may have dementia.
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Old 08-25-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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I think he may have dementia.

Nope, he just sold his soul to the GOP, for a chance to be President. The sad thing is, Rand Paul would have to do the same thing, if things stayed the same. Lucky, the times is a changin'.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:28 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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McCain is a Progressive.

Those leaning Conservative, want him out!
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Old 08-26-2010, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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McCain is a Progressive.

Those leaning Conservative, want him out!
LOL, McCain's voting record is pretty solidly conservative.

However, aside from that if the conservatives really wanted to knock off McCain, they probably should have chosen someone other than JD Hayworth of all people to rally around. Typically those who lose their seats in Congress as a result of being involved in a scandal, (Jack Abramoff) don't exactly make good Senate candidates.
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Boise
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There is a lot of old people in Arizona, they like voting for other old people. Keeps anti-kids on the lawn crowd happy, with laws promoting such.

But seriously, liked him alright in the past because he stood up on his principles whether or not I agreed, but now he's just a panderer, and he ran a terrible campaign. I still shake my head that he won the nomination, but then Huckabee might have been worse.
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Old 08-26-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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There is a lot of old people in Arizona
Arizona is actually the fifth youngest state in the country.

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Old 08-26-2010, 06:55 PM
 
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There is a lot of old people in Arizona, they like voting for other old people. Keeps anti-kids on the lawn crowd happy, with laws promoting such.

But seriously, liked him alright in the past because he stood up on his principles whether or not I agreed, but now he's just a panderer, and he ran a terrible campaign. I still shake my head that he won the nomination, but then Huckabee might have been worse.
When there is no incumbent GOP President seeking the nomination, the GOP almost invariably gives it to someone who 'came in second place' previously. And that described McCain in 2008 (he came in second for the nomination in 2000). Ditto for Dole in 1996 (came in second in 1988), Bush in 1988 (came in second in 1980), Reagan in 1980 (came in second in 1976) and Nixon in 1968 (came in second in the general election in 1960).

The only exception to this trend over the past 40+ years is 2000, when George W. Bush had never previously sought the nomination - however, that was a year in which no one who had ever previously finished second was seeking the nomination.

This trend points to Romney (or, arguably, Huckabee, though I have several problems with such an argument) in 2012.
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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LOL, McCain's voting record is pretty solidly conservative.

However, aside from that if the conservatives really wanted to knock off McCain, they probably should have chosen someone other than JD Hayworth of all people to rally around. Typically those who lose their seats in Congress as a result of being involved in a scandal, (Jack Abramoff) don't exactly make good Senate candidates.

Campaign Finance Reform - He just spent $22 million on the primary.
Amnesty - Remember that Kennedy co-sponsored bill.

Just a couple examples. McCain tends to lean right when election time rolls around, his voting record is more moderate than conservative.
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Campaign Finance Reform - He just spent $22 million on the primary.
Amnesty - Remember that Kennedy co-sponsored bill.

Just a couple examples. McCain tends to lean right when election time rolls around, his voting record is more moderate than conservative.
He doesn't exactly have a hard core conservative record such as an Inhofe or Demint. His opponent Hayworth is a hard core conservative as well similar to an Inhofe or Demint, and clearly to the right of McCain. However his overall voting record is quite conservative and generally always has been. He has broken from his party on some issues, but still votes with his party more often than not. He isn't and never has been anywhere close to a Susan Collins or Olympia Snowe. I wish he was, but he never has been.

For those who want a more hard-core conservative have at it, but I just don't comprehend rallying around someone like Hayworth. Yeah Hayworth is pretty far to the right, and no question further right than McCain but the right wingers probably could have found someone more conservative than McCain that didn't get thrown out of office by the voters due to his corruption ties with Abramoff. That I just don't get.
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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He doesn't exactly have a hard core conservative record such as an Inhofe or Demint. His opponent Hayworth is a hard core conservative as well similar to an Inhofe or Demint, and clearly to the right of McCain. However his overall voting record is quite conservative and generally always has been. He has broken from his party on some issues, but still votes with his party more often than not. He isn't and never has been anywhere close to a Susan Collins or Olympia Snowe. I wish he was, but he never has been.

For those who want a more hard-core conservative have at it, but I just don't comprehend rallying around someone like Hayworth. Yeah Hayworth is pretty far to the right, and no question further right than McCain but the right wingers probably could have found someone more conservative than McCain that didn't get thrown out of office by the voters due to his corruption ties with Abramoff. That I just don't get.
I agree with you. Its just one of those its better than the alternative votes for Hayworth. Hayworths name was never brought up in the Abramoff hearing, he did have dealing with Abramoff just not illegal ones. I wish a stronger candidate had run but since there wasn't we get stuck with McCain for another 6 years.

The reason McCain scares me is that this will be his last term and now nobody can hold him accountable. I don't like the policies he has tried to push in the past and I don't trust him to keep this conservative transformation for the next 6 years.
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