Message to republicans! "earn this"!!

[geofra]

Originally Posted by BucsLose

Progressives, liberals, they are the same. Regardless, they dont realize or admit that their ways and their beliefs fail. They are not what this nation was founded upon and are not what will bring continued success.

The Constitution could be considered a liberal document, couldn't it? Aren't there liberal ideas within the document?

In its day there wasn't a more radical government document in existence.

[BucsLose]

Originally Posted by geofra

The Constitution could be considered a liberal document, couldn't it? Aren't there liberal ideas within the document?

In its day there wasn't a more radical government document in existence.

That is a good question, and maybe you could given the time period. But there was essentially not much in the form of a cohesive legislation or body that really tied the country together and layed out laws and rule, was there?

I am not anti-government. I believe we need a government in place. I think it is a neccessity, given the inperfect world we live in. However, I do not believe in a government that continues to make it self bigger and even more powerful. I feel in a sense, we have moved away for a while now, away from the Power of the people. Yes, the government needs power, but essentially, we should feel that we have power too. What has been lost is that the government doesnt fear the people anymore.

The corruption, the deceit, the lies have just been getting worse and worse. We as a people have long past, just started to laugh it off about how corrupt DC is.

But back to liberalism. I think the worst of it started at the beginning of the 20th century. The Progressives were up to no good. For the past hundred years, we have really moved away from a true capitalist society, which I think is a big part of the nations problems. And I stand by my belief that true, real conservatism is what this country needs. A limited, smaller government. Liberals want a bigger, even more powerful one.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by geofra

The Constitution could be considered a liberal document, couldn't it? Aren't there liberal ideas within the document?

In its day there wasn't a more radical government document in existence.

no, the government couldnt at all be considered liberal. there isnt one part of the Constitution dealing the government taking care of individuals. The constitution is a list of restrictions on government, not a list of individual responsibilities..

There is a difference between radical, and liberal..

[AONE]

Originally Posted by flycessna

Don't tell me your one of those? The progressive's who think they are NOT a pinko commie? I think it is I who should be at you then of thats the case.. Come out and admitt who you are or at least defend yourself.

I am open minded and always willing to listen to new ideas and flexible enough to admit when I am worng... so please educate me!

Describe to me the Utopia that Progressive Liberals would bring to this great nation and how it is relevent, and nothing like Communism, or even socialism for that matter?

Well I for one am pretty liberal. I realize the reps under Bush hijacked the Constitution and did all they could to bring our country down. They instituted more Communist styled policies than ever. I have no interest in the Communist or facist approach and will do what I can to deefend our Constitution..... even when they wrap themselves in a flag and lie. taking the vote from the people is a fundamental right

I doubt I am any different from other liberals. I don't think we do anyone favors for making them dependent on welfare. I have some radical views including that people that abuse the responsability of being a parent should have their reproductive rights terminated.... Like Octomom... who can't afford to take care of those kids, or the woman that left her 14 month old unattended when she went to Universal for the night. ( aburglar turned her in..)

I am for the elimination of the federal reserve as I know it is the root to the dreadful issues we have with debt and money supply.

I am for holding people accountable for defrauding Wall street, to war crimes to war profiteering while in office.

I am for strong education but know throwing money at schools yields nothing. We expect little from kids and they deliver what we expect

We can indeed spend from a gov level to stimulate the economy my preference is with green industries so we can eliminate our dependence on oil, keeping the planet livable is a great side product.

I am concerned with genetic altering of food and irradiating it. we are playing with fire and likely will get burnt

I think we need to protect minorities without strong voices so they are not squashed into oblivion.

I believe the 2 parties are corrupt and support their interests first.

I think the war is wrong and was started to allow a few to profit at the expense of our young soldiers and I think that is criminal. I am under no illusion we have not helped the people of Iraq from turning into extremists

We should have a strong military but not overspend on it.

I am not in favor of Homeland security as it seems to violate many of the freedoms from the Constitution and I never feel safer because they can x-ray my clothes and see me naked.

I don't believe a government should be able to hide illegal acts behind the national security shield.

I am for the limits of media ownership and see nothing good that has come from allowing same ownership in the same area

I think we should tighten our borders but realize if someone has spent all their life here they might as well be made legal and counted.

I am for the legalization of all drugs so we can cut the legs oout from under the drug cartels. eliminate te profit and the problem will have to find a new means to support it self.. I don't use drugs and think most pharmceuticals are dangerous to health and our drug companies want nothing more than dependence. It is poison and is way over used and prescribed.

I do like the national healthcare plan. but I think it can be done to save money and improve care but the insurance companies are not the solution but much of the problem. and no we don't have to cut the pay of doctors. in fact if done right they could make more.

I don't really see a need for anyone to own machine guns, is it a right , ok maybe, is it a need... no. do I like the idea of criminals with them... no.

So do I want Communism... hell no. Do I support the tenants of the Constitution... Hell yes. more than many in office and I hate those lying ba$tards when they repeatedly screw us pretending they are in our corner. Do I want to infringe on your rights... no and I support the opposition and their right to oppose, even when I don't agree with their POV.

I find the KKK repugnant but think in order to have our Constitution in tact they must be allowed to express...to the point of yelling fire in the theater.

I want families to invest in themselves . I want courtesy and respect to be a part of our country again. I want people to have equal opportunities. I think by seeing everyone we will all benefit and grow.

Well there are my tenants of liberalism. I think you will find many of us to be far more patriotic than you expect.

[Factsplease]

Originally Posted by flycessna

As we wait to see what the final results of these midterm elections will be I think its all but confirmed the Republicans will take at least one house..

My recomendation to the party in charge is "dont screw it up"!

Democrats/republicans... No matter what side of the fence we are on we have been beholden to a two party system that has completly forgot about who they are supposed to be working for!! progressive liberals who have ruined the democratic party have made this happen.. thank you for waking up the silent majority!!

Previously we have found ourselves stuck in deciding between two often "bad" choices to represent US! My hope is that these elections will be different! A message will be sent that we are fed up with politics as usual..

Smear campaigns have failed, Career politicans stand to be thrown out on their asses, and a new vibe is being felt throughout this whole election..

This is for TRUE "AMERICAN" patriots who on Both sides...Democrats/Republicans love this country!!

This is not for Progressive liberals who.... lets face it... really hate everything this country was founded on and are burning inside because of the likes of the tea party, and people like Rand Paul, who for progressive liberals they cant make the connection that someone can be against civil rights but NOT a bigot or vice versa that someone can be for civil rights and STILL be a bigot!!

May this country get back on tract again with the politicians beholden to the people of this great nation!!

You had me until the bolded part. Your post is nothing but another smear campaign.

[flycessna]

Originally Posted by geofra

I don't know if you believe in cause and effect, but all of the government agencies you list were a response to an actual problem. Government just doesn't make up major societal problems. It didn't make up oil dependency or drug dependency or poverty. Those are all legitimate problems that effect the entire society, not just one group of people.

Problems are like the whack-a-mole game, you may solve one but your solution causes another to pop up. Problems never go away; so, there will always be a need for solutions.

Sometimes the federal government proves a better solution. Other times local governments are the better solution. Other times the market is the best solution. Or faith is the best solution.

I'll give you one example of a government agency that can do something better than anything private. That is the FDIC which eases the pain of a bank failure. Make no mistake, they happen all of the time: in good times or bad times. If you have ever had an account in a failed bank, you thank your lucky stars that there is an FDIC. There is no private solution for that.

I also believe that there are better private solutions than government solutions, healthcare and retirement nest eggs are two that I think can be handled better by the private sector. I apologize for not coming up with a specific example.

And there are probably things that the Salvation Army can do better than government or the private sector. I'm sorry I cannot come up with a specific example.

This is why I believe that things are more nuanced than being simply good or bad.

Well again I think your missing my point that whether or not something IS a problem is completly subjective...

And regardless of whether or not we can even agree that something needs to be addressed by our governement do you really have ANY faith in our goverment solving it???

Every tax break creates unfairness and a tax loop hole, every NON PROFIT forces a tax shift on another business, every new governement agency creats a liability places a burdon on us, and when you have politicians who campaigns are more about smearing the other politicians and buying votes by promising stuff we have a system that is very complicated!

[texdav]

Originally Posted by geofra

The Constitution could be considered a liberal document, couldn't it? Aren't there liberal ideas within the document?

In its day there wasn't a more radical government document in existence.

No liberals believe in more central control not less. It actually was a radcal document in that it limited the power of the national government giving more control to states and individuals. Liberal is quite the opposite in that they want more centralized federal control;not less.That is why it is called big government.