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Old 07-30-2007, 10:50 AM
 
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The LA Times today has an article titled "Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives." I don't have a link to the article. You need to google it. The article talks about Clinton's cozy relationship with the Indian outsourcing firm Tata and her support for increased visas for foreign workers and the devastating impact left on American workers. This foreign firm is responsible for displacing American workers in two ways -- by outsourcing programming jobs to India and by bringing Indian workers into the US to do whatever jobs are left. What leader will stand up for Americans? Who will help protect American jobs? Folks, none of the other things matter much if you don't have a job and can't feed your family.
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Old 07-30-2007, 01:04 PM
 
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Found the story:

Clinton woos the outsourcers that workers fear - Los Angeles Times
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Old 07-30-2007, 06:23 PM
 
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Typical Hillary....being everything to everybody while standing for absolutely nothing.......What a phony....
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:34 PM
 
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Everybody but the American workers.
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:35 PM
 
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The LA Times today has an article titled "Clinton's free-trade advocacy is hitting labor where it lives." I don't have a link to the article. You need to google it. The article talks about Clinton's cozy relationship with the Indian outsourcing firm Tata and her support for increased visas for foreign workers and the devastating impact left on American workers. This foreign firm is responsible for displacing American workers in two ways -- by outsourcing programming jobs to India and by bringing Indian workers into the US to do whatever jobs are left. What leader will stand up for Americans? Who will help protect American jobs? Folks, none of the other things matter much if you don't have a job and can't feed your family.
To those who cannot recall, it was BILL CLINTON who started and laid the groundwork for the North American Union under NAFTA.

Hillary is such a hypocrite, she served as a Board member in America's biggest exploiter of laborers: WALMART! Then she tries to hide that fact and say Walmart is a slave factory!

Hillary has taken MILLION from drug companies. Hillary has taken money from insurance companies. Hillary is totally in-bed with every exploiter of US workers in the planet.

Seriously guys, not even BILL wants Hillary!!
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Old 07-30-2007, 11:11 PM
 
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Nirvana Guy just about every post of yours has to do with your radical conservatism.

NAFTA was drafted during daddy Bush's term. Ever heard of the New World Order? Clinton didn't draft these policies Reagan & Bush did. Please spare me that conservatives such as Reagan & Bush were concerned about the American worker.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:22 AM
 
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Thanks to the OP as this thread is eye opening! As someone who previously agreed with Hillary on a variety of issues, I'm now completely reevaluating her - because this single issue really is very impactful for our country.

I know that Chelsea's first job was to work for McKinsey as a Consultant. What most people don't know unless they research the consulting industry is that McKinsey was one of the very first business strategy-focused services firms to really push/promote skilled-labor outsourcing - and they still do today.. They also happen to publish much more than their consulting company peers, so their influence has been dramatic to say the least. When my company wanted me to research Outsourcing trends, guess what, McKinsey Quarterly was quoted more often than naught by the "outsourcing thought leaders" I spoke with. In retrospect I guess I shouldn't be terribly surprised that Hillary is on the same page. It is just disturbing as with a bit of research what you'll find is that everything is being outsourced these days... already in every industry: R&D, S&C, SCM, HCM, CRM, and FM (for those that don't know these acronyms represent the major functional & process areas of any business - from research and design, to strategy, to supply chain, to human resources, customer relationship management, and financial management).

Sure you and others might think this is harmless or hasn't effected you so "so what?"

I pose to you the following... when all the operations and strategy of US companies are run from India or another low-cost country instead of the US, what do you think that will do to the US? All that will continue to exist in the US will be what... the C-Level positions (CEO, CIO, CFO, etc) and Sales/Customer Facing folks of any company? Do you think it is logical that eventually Indian-born or other low-cost country educated folks will take these positions as well (that is rhetorical, since it doesn't take much brain power to see that yes, those positions will be outsourced or even in-sourced eventually).

US Citizens and Politicians need to wake up and see this for what it is... it's a takeover, perhaps voluntary, but a takeover nonetheless. Once all the engineers and computer scientists are foreign-born, it won't take long before all the professors and doctors are as well. The unseating of the US as a major world power is thus underway and is no longer conjecture. If Hillary supports this type of US transformation, then she is not right for our country.

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Old 07-31-2007, 11:00 AM
 
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Thanks to the OP as this thread is eye opening! As someone who previously agreed with Hillary on a variety of issues, I'm now completely reevaluating her - because this single issue really is very impactful for our country.

I know that Chelsea's first job was to work for McKinsey as a Consultant. What most people don't know unless they research the consulting industry is that McKinsey was one of the very first business strategy-focused services firms to really push/promote skilled-labor outsourcing - and they still do today.. They also happen to publish much more than their consulting company peers, so their influence has been dramatic to say the least. When my company wanted me to research Outsourcing trends, guess what, McKinsey Quarterly was quoted more often than naught by the "outsourcing thought leaders" I spoke with. In retrospect I guess I shouldn't be terribly surprised that Hillary is on the same page. It is just disturbing as with a bit of research what you'll find is that everything is being outsourced these days... already in every industry: R&D, S&C, SCM, HCM, CRM, and FM (for those that don't know these acronyms represent the major functional & process areas of any business - from research and design, to strategy, to supply chain, to human resources, customer relationship management, and financial management).

Sure you and others might think this is harmless or hasn't effected you so "so what?"

I pose to you the following... when all the operations and strategy of US companies are run from India or another low-cost country instead of the US, what do you think that will do to the US? All that will continue to exist in the US will be what... the C-Level positions (CEO, CIO, CFO, etc) and Sales/Customer Facing folks of any company? Do you think it is logical that eventually Indian-born or other low-cost country educated folks will take these positions as well (that is rhetorical, since it doesn't take much brain power to see that yes, those positions will be outsourced or even in-sourced eventually).

US Citizens and Politicians need to wake up and see this for what it is... it's a takeover, perhaps voluntary, but a takeover nonetheless. Once all the engineers and computer scientists are foreign-born, it won't take long before all the professors and doctors are as well. The unseating of the US as a major world power is thus underway and is no longer conjecture. If Hillary supports this type of US transformation, then she is not right for our country.
You made some very good points. Job-outsourcings and cheap foreign workers have hurt American workers deeply. Unfortunately, people tend not to care unless they are impacted directly. I bet when those manufacturing jobs were disappearing technical support people and computer programmers thought it would never happen to them. Outsourcing has already occurred in the medical field. When I had a chest x-ray a few months ago the film was sent to India electronically for analysis.

This is all good for the companies who outsource jobs to foreign countries. But what is the cost to US workers? And what is the long-term cost to America? Plenty, and you don't have to be unemployed to feel the impact. When large numbers of people are unemployed or make very little money, they pay little or no taxes. Without adequate tax revenue the government will do one of two things or both. 1. Provide less services. 2. Find more money in some other way such as raising property tax, parking and traffic violation fines, car registration, etc. etc. The list is endless. You are indirectly impacted even if your job is not outsourced.

The long-term outlook for the country is bleak. What might happen (some people think this is already happening) is the middle-class will disappear and become lower-class or poor. The ultimate result is a two-class system -- a few very rich and the poor masses. I don't think this will be good for the country. Do you?

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Old 08-02-2007, 01:48 AM
 
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You made some very good points. Job-outsourcings and cheap foreign workers have hurt American workers deeply. Unfortunately, people tend not to care unless they are impacted directly. I bet when those manufacturing jobs were disappearing technical support people and computer programmers thought it would never happen to them. Outsourcing has already occurred in the medical field. When I had a chest x-ray a few months ago the film was sent to India electronically for analysis.

This is all good for the companies who outsource jobs to foreign countries. But what is the cost to US workers? And what is the long-term cost to America? Plenty, and you don't have to be unemployed to feel the impact. When large numbers of people are unemployed or make very little money, they pay little or no taxes. Without adequate tax revenue the government will do one of two things or both. 1. Provide less services. 2. Find more money in some other way such as raising property tax, parking and traffic violation fines, car registration, etc. etc. The list is endless. You are indirectly impacted even if your job is not outsourced.

The long-term outlook for the country is bleak. What might happen (some people think this is already happening) is the middle-class will disappear and become lower-class or poor. The ultimate result is a two-class system -- a few very rich and the poor masses. I don't think this will be good for the country. Do you?

You also forgot to mention that we still have the same amount of people, but now they're competing for fewer jobs.

Maybe we should elect Lou Dobbs? lol

~T
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