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Old 06-04-2011, 04:39 AM
 
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Looks like you believe business owners don't actually own their own businesses.
All for the good of the collective, right?
Hogwash. Are you a legitimate business or not?

Private enterprise could also mean selling nukes to Pakistan. There ARE limits and commerce needs to step off trying to govern America.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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Hogwash. Are you a legitimate business or not?

Private enterprise could also mean selling nukes to Pakistan. There ARE limits and commerce needs to step off trying to govern America.
Bill Clinton sold military secrets to China, for personal gain.

Our leaders seem to set a bad example, and the bad example becomes "policy".
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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A few observations:

Ron Paul is partially right and partially wrong in this situation.

He is correct that private property rights should be respected, and people should have freedom of choice for who to allow on their property. However, a business or organization gives up some ground in their "private property" argument when they open the doors of their establishment to the public.

He is incorrect by overlooking the libertarian principle of non-aggression. Discrimination against Blacks in a private business IS aggression and a violation of economic liberty, since a Black person would be excluded solely based on skin color.

Posters who try to use 400 years of slavery and 100 years of segregation as proof that public accommodations laws are needed, are conveniently overlooking the fact that "no Blacks allowed" and slavery were codified in law by the government. Government created Jim Crow, and government enforced it through police officers, and through looking the other way when citizens assaulted Blacks who tried to protest.

If government didn't create and enforce pro-discrimination laws from the 1880s to 1960s, none of them would have existed on a large scale because of the greed factor of businessmen. A big example of this is integration of sports BEFORE CIVIL RIGHTS WERE PASSED by white owners who had no real incentive to do so except the profit motive. Of course there was an ideological aspect, but additionally, many of the best black players were in the "Negro Leagues" and smart owners wanted to get first crack at a good deal.

In an ideal world from Ron Paul's version of libertarianism, the only way to balance all freedoms here, would be to allow businesses the freedom to discriminate, but not allow police or private citizens to arrest or attack Blacks and other supporters who picket, protest, and arrange boycotts of the business.

That being said, I don't believe Ron Paul is racist. I believe his strict ideological philosophies simply support or oppose racists depending on the situation. No racist person would want to release Black drug dealers and users from prison and argue for equal justice for Blacks in the courts.


YouTube - ‪Ron Paul Calls for End to Drug War‬‏

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Old 06-04-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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However, a business or organization gives up some of this argument when they open the doors of their establishment to the public.
How do you figure?
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Old 06-04-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Default "Ron Paul Believes Businesses Should Be Allowed To Put Up A 'NO BLACKS' Sign!"

You'd never see a restaurant put up the sign, "No Slaves Allowed".

They'd lose their entire staff!
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Old 06-04-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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How do you figure?
(That businesses give up some of their private property rights when they open their doors to the public)

The Public Accomodations Law of 1964 for one.
Civil Rights Act of 1964: Public Accommodation

The health laws of their city, state, etc.

The wages and hours act.

And many more.

Paul thinks property rights trump all other rights. He's wrong.
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Old 06-04-2011, 05:19 PM
 
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(That businesses give up some of their private property rights when they open their doors to the public)

The Public Accomodations Law of 1964 for one.
Civil Rights Act of 1964: Public Accommodation

The health laws of their city, state, etc.

The wages and hours act.

And many more.

Paul thinks property rights trump all other rights. He's wrong.
I think Paul is correct.
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Old 06-04-2011, 05:49 PM
 
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Did any of you actually watch the video? Did Ron Paul not say "I wouldn't vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws?" The Jim Crow laws were what segregated the population with the "separate but equal" status, and Ron Paul clearly said in this "interview" that he wouldn't have voted against getting rid of them. Also, this is one small clip from an earlier interview with Matthews where Matthews was clearly trying to corner Ron Paul and label him as a racist.

You know it's funny how Matthews and to a smaller extent Maddow supported Ron Paul before he was running for president. Now, they are clearly trying to get him labeled a racist.
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Old 06-04-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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Here is the whole video with Matthews, but few of you will probably watch it.


YouTube - ‪Ron Paul Beats Chris Matthews Over The Head With Liberty‬‏
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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If Ron Paul is a racist, why does he take a pro legalization stance on drugs? Clearly, the plight of the black and hispanic population is made worse by drug law? Why does RP take a non police state stance on law enforcement? Yes, the same police state that terrorizes the black and hispanic community. Why does RP take a pro gay marriage stance? Why does RP want more transparency in the CIA, a self funding organization? How does the CIA self fund anyway? It may be with a totally legal lemonade stand, and it might not be... Why does RP want to stop bombing non-whites in the Middle east, and around the world?

The vast majority of blacks and hispanics are in prison for non-violent drug offenses, and RP wants to end that.

Yeah, what a racist...
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