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Old 06-19-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Before Murder was a "legal term" it was a "moral term"... even though abortion is legal, "Murder" can be applied to this practice in a moral sense.
You are most certainly entitled to possess your own moral standards.

You are NOT entitled to impose them on anyone else.

That is why there is separation of church and state, and that is why "murder" is a legal term.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Romney thinks he can get the nomination this time by being Humpty Dumpty sitting on a wall as opposed to flip flopping. That's my observation. Be as much as you can be to the most people to win. Who knows what he would actually do after elected. This is how I see him:

I'm for this but only in my personal life.
I'm for that but only when I was governor of Massachusetts.
I'm for ethanol subsidies (...but only when I'm in Iowa is what I expect to hear from him next)
You mean like George W. Bush who was pro-choice as governor but jumped the fence when he smelled fundamentalist campaign donations?

I think I understand now. Thanks.,
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:25 PM
 
Location: California
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No candidate should be pressured or blackmailed by any group that has to do with individual rights of others. It's sickening just to think about...letting them set policy for the country or whatever. A candidate who caves to such tactics isn't someone who will represent the people of the USA in a good way. Think about it. Even if I was totally prolife or whatever I wouldn't sign my name to someones damn pledge. That's disgusting.
Abortions isn't murder any more than miscarriage is homocide.
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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No candidate should be pressured or blackmailed by any group that has to do with individual rights of others. It's sickening just to think about...letting them set policy for the country or whatever. A candidate who caves to such tactics isn't someone who will represent the people of the USA in a good way. Think about it. Even if I was totally prolife or whatever I wouldn't sign my name to someones damn pledge. That's disgusting.
Abortions isn't murder any more than miscarriage is homocide.
Miscarriage isn't by choice... so your comment makes no sense...

To be on the Republican ticket you need to be pro-life. Just the way it is...

Point with Romney is that he is now saying he is pro-life, but he won't sign a pro-life pledge... pretty sad...

That's because he is lying about his values and his stances, he changes his stances with the wind... we all know it-- I'd respect him more if he just came out and said he was pro-choice instead of pretending to be pro-life.
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:19 PM
 
Location: California
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Pledges like that are for idiots. You can live your values without selling your soul to special interest no matter WHO they are or WHAT they stand for. I woudln't sign anything that anyone put in front of me not matter how strongly I felt. It's childish and leaves you open to attack should you realize that your reasoning isn't as well thought out as you originally believed. Like abortion, it's always bad until you get one.
And abortion has never been murder.
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:23 PM
 
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Miscarriage isn't by choice... so your comment makes no sense...

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To be on the Republican ticket you need to be pro-life. Just the way it is...

Point with Romney is that he is now saying he is pro-life, but he won't sign a pro-life pledge... pretty sad...

That's because he is lying about his values and his stances, he changes his stances with the wind... we all know it-- I'd respect him more if he just came out and said he was pro-choice instead of pretending to be pro-life.
Which means the GOP line-up less Romney and Huntsman are extremist, religiouscrats and lovers of the ultra-rich. They hate the planet, love fetuses, and hate assisting poor kids.

Nominate one of the nuts. Go ahead. Just be prepared for one of the biggest losses in history. There are not enough people to vote in extremist like Bachman.
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:26 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Romney is also anti-gun. He doesnt stand a chance of getting most conservatives or libertarians behind him.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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Romney's a joke. He stands for nothing. He's not a RINO, to be a RINO you need to have some sort of moderate or liberal ideology.

He has no ideology. Not shocking that he wouldn't sign this reasonable pledge. ( but than again I'm Pro-Life, unlike him)
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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It isn't about abortion-- but rather murder

I guess Romney is Pro-Murder
Then I guess Herman Cain is, too.
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Old 06-19-2011, 10:13 PM
 
Location: California
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Did anyone bother to READ that pledge or the article? If any candidate signed it AND ACTUALLY FOLLOWED IT (they won't, anyone who signed is already outed as a liar) they couldn't be able to be an effective POTUS anyway. It reaches far beyond abortion. Only a fool....or a panderer. And there are things in it that wouldn't be legal or pass the House. Basically, we would be a single issue country and nothing could be done about ANYTHING before everyone involved vowed to stop abortion. What a crock. And what a country of idiots we are.
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