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Old 06-25-2011, 11:41 PM
 
Location: California
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No Republican would choose Palin as a running mate. They would choose someone middle of the road to woo the undecided voters. I'm sure there are tons of people in think tanks right now designing the perfect combos and canditates.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:44 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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What do you think?
Shoot me in the head.
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Old 06-26-2011, 04:42 AM
 
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Yeah, Perry balanced the budget all right

Texas lawmakers fail to solve big budget problems, punt tough decisions down the road - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/health-care/texas-lawmakers-fail-to-solve-big-budget-problems-punt-tough-decisions-down-the-road/2011/06/24/AGbSTWjH_story.html - broken link)

You can hardly even get anyone in Texas to admit they had a deficit, much less one that was so huge. The issue will resurface, like it has in every state that used these accounting gimmicks.
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Old 06-26-2011, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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Sounds good! Perry-Palin 2012!
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Old 06-26-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Can you name the last sitting president to win a second term with unemployment over 7.2%?
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Reagan. GHW Bush lost in 92.

I've seen this thrown around a lot lately, so it must be some sort of new Hannity right wing talking point. If you want to use a miniscule sample to try and judge a very complex process of electing a president, be my guest. But all you conservatives are getting a very very premature boner over this little point.

Actually, I've been asking the question for some time. It's the rest of the world that recently picked up on it. The simple fact is since FDR, only Reagan was able to secure a second term with unemployment as high as 7.2%, but Reagan could boast of 8% GDP, inflation had declined 10 points and the dollar was near its all-time high set in May 1984.

Other issues which have doomed those hoping for another term are wars. Truman and LBJ both faced unwinnable primary challenges and bowed out due to ongoing wars. Bush II lost 37 job approval points between the start of the Afghan War and the 2004 election largely due to ongoing wars. Had Democrats not run McGovern in 1972, Nixon might have been defeated since the Viet Nam war was 8 years and 4 months old on election day, but voters believed Nixon was better able to end the Viet Nam War and keep us out of future wars. Unlike Nixon who proactively issued the Guam Doctrine to address concerns over future wars, Obama seems to have no particular set of guiding principles except to continue existing wars and follow other nations into war. When the 2012 election rolls around, the Afghan War will be 11 years and 1 month old. No president has ever been elected to another term with a war that old still being fought.

No president has won reelection with the inflation adjusted price of gasoline over $2.50/gal. Today it's about $4.00/gal depending on the part of the country you're in.

No president since FDR has won reelection with the misery index over 11.25%. Today it's 12.67% and rising.


Any of these individually would likely doom a candidate. Taken together, they are insurmountable.

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Old 06-26-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Actually, I've been asking the question for some time. It's the rest of the world that recently picked up on it. The simple fact is since FDR, only Reagan was able to secure a second term with unemployment as high as 7.2%, but Reagan could boast of 8% GDP, inflation had declined 10 points and the dollar was near its all-time high set in May 1984.

Other issues which have doomed those hoping for another term are wars. Truman and LBJ both faced unwinnable primary challenges and bowed out due to ongoing wars. Bush II lost 37 job approval points between the start of the Afghan War and the 2004 election largely due to ongoing wars. Had Democrats not run McGovern in 1972, Nixon might have been defeated since the Viet Nam war was 8 years and 4 months old on election day, but voters believed Nixon was better able to end the Viet Nam War and keep us out of future wars. Unlike Nixon who proactively issued the Guam Doctrine to address concerns over future wars, Obama seems to have no particular set of guiding principles except to continue existing wars and follow other nations into war. When the 2012 election rolls around, the Afghan War will be 11 years and 1 month old. No president has ever been elected to another term with a war that old still being fought.

No president has won reelection with the inflation adjusted price of gasoline over $2.50/gal. Today it's about $4.00/gal depending on the part of the country you're in.

No president since FDR has won reelection with the misery index over 11.25%. Today it's 12.67% and rising.


Any of these individually would likely doom a candidate. Taken together, they are insurmountable.
I'm not familiar with this "misery index" you're referring to. However, regarding Nixon, my opinion is that people knew he was a crook, but voted for him b/c McGovern, a decorated WW II veteran, was seen as too "radical". Americans don't like to vote for radicals. That's what Sarah Palin will never be elected POTUS.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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LOL, anything with palin in it is a joke.
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What do you think?
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Not to worry. The left is totally disappointed with Obama and will most likely not vote.
Democrats stayed home in 2010 and saw what happened. They won't repeat the same mistake twice. Republicans voted for purity first in 2010, and they are not going to repeat the same mistake twice, either.

Which party comes up with a coherent jobs plan and puts wheels under it will win. This election will be settled on this element alone.

If neither party can come up with a jobs plan, the numbers are with the Democrats, like it or not. The Republicans will have to nominate someone who can convince the independents and non-committed voters, and be able to get some Democrats to change sides. That nominee won't be Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, or Michelle Bachmann. None have been able to swing any of the above groups so far.
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Poor working families from Mexico.I don't care
Every illegal Mexican working here has some legal family members who can vote. They haven't voted much before, but don't count on them sitting another election out. You should care deeply- this group is the fastest growing minority in the U.S., and all it will take is a few motivated individuals to fire them up come election day.
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Ron Paul / Michelle Bachmann. A much stronger ticket,
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