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Old 08-14-2011, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Michelle Bachmann is Sarah Palin Jr, and I can't take her seriously. I have paid attention to her for quite some time now, and she is all talking points. She votes the way I want her to on economic issues, BUT she has not proven that she has any in-depth insight beyond those talking points. Even her "I read Mises" quote seemed superficial at best. What's sad is people seem to gravitate towards her, but I think when Perry gets in he'll take all of her votes since he has the same views but more substance in comparison.

Also, Pawlenty is right, Bachmann doesn't have any real experience or accomplishments. Going that route again would simply give us the Republican version of Barack Obama (which would be better, sadly). I prefer Governors as Presidents since they have already proven they can run a government at the state level. Voting as a Congressman or Senator does not equal running anything but a self-managed office.

Even though I agree with her on many economic policies, she should not be the messenger for those policies. People said Reagan was dumb, but his stated viewpoints even as far back as the 60s were deep and insightful (youtube his late 60s speeches), which either proves he's a great actor, or was actually insightful and less deserved of the "stupid" label than Bachmann / Palin.

One thing no one can disagree on is that Ron Paul isn't well researched on his philosophy.
I am neither a supporter of Michele's or Sarahs, but they are not anywhere near the same. they have some similar views, that is where it stops.

Nita
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Old 08-14-2011, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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A word about Michelle Bachmann. I wanted to listen to her today, but the woman kept screeching, she needs to tone it down. She has a microphone, why does she feel the need to yell at us?
I know, she's trying to drum up enthusiasm, but it has the opposite effect on me. Palin does the same thing. No reason to yell, we can hear you just fine.
Men don't seem to feel the need to do this, why do women? It reminds me of Hillary screeching about "we have a right to disagree". It's a big turnoff!

RON PAUL WAS AWESOME TODAY, as usual!
I agree about Michelle. She has to tone the voice down a bit and Paul could do the same. I fianlly did turn him off, I just couldn't listen to the shoulting any longer. I know you liked his speech and that is what makes all of us different. I loved the reference to medical school, human life etc, but his voice drives me up a wall.

Nita
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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For all you that thought you were gonna get change from:

O-One
B-Big
A-A**
M-Mistake
A-America

It should be a no brainer who has the change, and all for the principles this country was founded on. The establishment lost, they have failed. They are petrified of Ron Paul...Ron Paul is your change, change back to our founding principles. Not a communist/socialist police state. Our rights and freedoms back in full force, Liberty! Power back to "We The People" I'm not for being led off the cliff, If I can't lead...well we need a leader to lead us. Ron Paul.
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Old 08-14-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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You know, I listened to Thaddeus today, and thought he made a great speech. To be honest, I was a little shocked to find out he was running for President. What happened to him? How come he didn't do better.
That's because he has no exposure.

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I'm leaning towards Cain over Michele. I really like the guy.
I like Cain as well for his business sense, but I have an "experience" question mark on him since I don't have anything but political statements to pull from. Sure, it's a populist positive that he's never held political office, but there are still some positives for having a political record to examine.
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Old 08-14-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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I am neither a supporter of Michele's or Sarahs, but they are not anywhere near the same. they have some similar views, that is where it stops.

Nita
Their political positions and method of delivering those views are virtually indistinguishable from each other. They are virtually all talking points, and very rarely bring new ideas or even insightful explanations of the party line. That's what separates them from Reagan, and separates them from most of the other Republican candidates. I agree with many of their economic views (not social), but I still feel uneasy when a politician doesn't seem to deliver any independent thought.

I do believe Bachmann is slightly more savvy than Palin, based on what their interviews/commentary in the media, including Fox.
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Old 08-14-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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For all you that thought you were gonna get change from:

O-One
B-Big
A-A**
M-Mistake
A-America

It should be a no brainer who has the change, and all for the principles this country was founded on. The establishment lost, they have failed. They are petrified of Ron Paul...Ron Paul is your change, change back to our founding principles. Not a communist/socialist police state. Our rights and freedoms back in full force, Liberty! Power back to "We The People" I'm not for being led off the cliff, If I can't lead...well we need a leader to lead us. Ron Paul.
I watched all news networks this morning, and it's ridiculous how they barely mentioned Ron Paul even though he only lost by 200 votes. They won't take the man seriously, even if he somehow won the Republican nomination.

I do believe that Rick Perry entering the race will make it tougher for Ron Paul since the establishment and Tea Party can create a coalition behind him.

Regardless if they feel Ron Paul is electable or not, the fact that he obtains so much money and votes should create a public dialog on the rising number of people who embrace his policies.
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Old 08-14-2011, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Harrison, OH
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Bachmann and Palin are similar in their viewpoints, but I do think that Bachmann is a little more sincere in her views, while Palin is a money grabber enjoying her fame. She doesn't come off as genuine at all, at least not anymore.
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Old 08-14-2011, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Their political positions and method of delivering those views are virtually indistinguishable from each other. They are virtually all talking points, and very rarely bring new ideas or even insightful explanations of the party line. That's what separates them from Reagan, and separates them from most of the other Republican candidates. I agree with many of their economic views (not social), but I still feel uneasy when a politician doesn't seem to deliver any independent thought.

I do believe Bachmann is slightly more savvy than Palin, based on what their interviews/commentary in the media, including Fox.
listen to them closely: they have some similar views but they are very different. One is great at exciting her crowd, she is just plain folk like most of our country and people identify with her: the other is smooth, more knowledgable and certainly more Presidentual.

Nita
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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listen to them closely: they have some similar views but they are very different. One is great at exciting her crowd, she is just plain folk like most of our country and people identify with her: the other is smooth, more knowledgable and certainly more Presidentual.

Nita
Hi Nita,

I am a political junkie. I watch all networks all the time to see what each side is saying, even Fox and MSNBC. I'm sure I've seen every single Bachmann and Palin interview in the last 3 years. They are very similar, they make the same talking points, they even share the same base. I've already said that Bachmann comes across as slightly more savvy than Palin, so we probably agree more than we disagree.
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Hi Nita,

I am a political junkie. I watch all networks all the time to see what each side is saying, even Fox and MSNBC. I'm sure I've seen every single Bachmann and Palin interview in the last 3 years. They are very similar, they make the same talking points, they even share the same base. I've already said that Bachmann comes across as slightly more savvy than Palin, so we probably agree more than we disagree.
ok, I too am a junkie, but I don't watch every network daily. I do watch each one plus reading 2 newspapers and several magazines. We just have to agree to disagree on this. I see similarities in their views, but 2 very different attitudes and personalities. BTW, you are probably right about us coming closer to agreeing. This is where our wording can cause us to lose the message. I think Bachmann is much more savvy that Palin.

Nita
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