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Old 08-16-2011, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Only that 700,000 have flocked to Texas the last two years - and there aren't enough jobs to accommodate them all.
It doesn't have to be people seeking jobs. Seniors are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular and bring spending money.

Actually, according to:
Population Data (Estimates) for Texas Counties, 2009
Population Data (Projections) for Texas Counties, 2010
Population Data (Projections) for Texas Counties, 2011

the number is over a million.

So what Perry needs to do is bring oil drilling jobs to the rest of the nation, because that seems to be the key to Texas job growth.
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Old 08-17-2011, 03:54 PM
 
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It doesn't have to be people seeking jobs. Seniors are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular and bring spending money.

Actually, according to:
Population Data (Estimates) for Texas Counties, 2009
Population Data (Projections) for Texas Counties, 2010
Population Data (Projections) for Texas Counties, 2011

the number is over a million.

So what Perry needs to do is bring oil drilling jobs to the rest of the nation, because that seems to be the key to Texas job growth.
Wrong, once again. Oil related jobs account for approx 18% of job growth in Texas. I think health care is high than that.
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:26 PM
 
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Wrong, once again. Oil related jobs account for approx 18% of job growth in Texas. I think health care is high than that.
You discount 1 in 5 jobs?

In any case, I was making to point earlier in this thread that Perry's "Texas Miracle" is due to population growth and isn't such a miracle when factoring out that growth. In fact, Texas' job growth is dead last (like much of Texas statistics.)

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Old 08-18-2011, 05:20 AM
 
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Lightbulb The problem with Perry

The more you learn about this guy, the smaller he looks. All this big kefuffle about his record on job creation goes up in a puff of smoke when you look at what really happened on his watch.

And all of his bold talk about social engineering/put-god-back-in-government claptrap is nothing more than a "dog whistle" to the religious right crackpots. No doubt they'll be his base. Let's see how electable it makes him.
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:39 AM
 
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Krugman is actually rated the #1 in accuracy. see: Claim: Krugman is top prognosticator; Cal Thomas is the worst | Poynter.
"Paul Krugman continues his campaign to discredit the economic success of Texas, and, as usual, he is none too particular about the facts."

Paul Krugman Is Still Wrong about Texas - By Kevin D. Williamson - Exchequer - National Review Online
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Old 08-18-2011, 05:43 AM
 
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Just read a interesting post regarding Texas/Perry/Jobs...
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My advice to anti-Perry advocates is this: Give up talking about Texas jobs. Texas is an incredible outlier among the states when it comes to jobs. Not only are they creating them, they're creating ones with higher wages.
Rick Perry And Texas Job Numbers « Political Math
A good use of statistics and graphs, referencing the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

And the author is not even a Perry supporter.
Thanks for the excellent link!

He is spot on when he says, "One can argue that Perry had very little to do with the job situation in Texas, but such a person should be probably prepare themselves for the consequences of that line of reasoning. If Rick Perry had nothing to do with creating jobs in Texas, than why does Obama have something to do with creating jobs anywhere"

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Old 08-18-2011, 06:35 AM
 
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"Paul Krugman continues his campaign to discredit the economic success of Texas, and, as usual, he is none too particular about the facts."

Paul Krugman Is Still Wrong about Texas - By Kevin D. Williamson - Exchequer - National Review Online
Your National Review column proclaims that Krugman is 1/2 right, conceding that population growth is, in fact, the reason for the job growth in Texas. What the author is asserting is that "A booming economy, and the jobs that go with it, leads to population growth."

But how much of that has to do with Perry? According to ABC,
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a significant proportion of the growth also comes just from Texas being Texas.

The Lone Star State is rich in natural resources such as oil and natural gas, so when the rest of the country was struggling with high energy prices at the onset of the recession, Texas companies were turning big profits and, therefore, pumping tax revenue into the state coffers.
And while Texas attracts companies that move there because of low wages and low regulation, there is then the flip-side cost of low wage workers needing Medicaid and Food Stamps -- but Texas' is cheap with Medicaid (49th in nation), so the working poor do without.

That's a contributing factor of why Texas is expected to collect $72.2 billion in taxes, fees and other general revenue during the 2012-13 budget, putting the shortfall at $27 billion, according to the Texas Comptroller’s report (PDF). Worse, even as Rick Perry railed against the Recovery Act, he used the government's stimulus plan to cover 97 percent of the state's budget deficit in 2009.

Another part of the flip-side of Texas' "pro-business, low tax, low regulation" environment is Texas' poor investment in public needs.

This is from the very conservative Washington Times, in an article called "Rick Perry America: A nightmare for families and education."

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• State Aid Per Pupil in Average Daily Attendance – 47th
• Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) Scores – 45th
• % of Population 25 and Older with High School Diploma – 50th
• High School Graduation Rate – 43rd
• Percent of Uninsured Children – 1st
• Percent of Children Living in Poverty – 4th
• Percent of Population Uninsured – 1st
• Percent of Low Income Population Covered by Medicaid – 49th
• Percent of Population with Employer-Based Health Insurance – 48th
• Total Health Expenditures as % of the Gross State Product – 43rd
• Per Capita State Spending on Medicaid – 49th
• Health Care Expenditures per Capita – 44th
• Physicians per Capita – 42nd
• Registered Nurses per Capita – 44th
• Average Monthly Women, Infant, and Children (WIC) Benefits per Person – 47th
• Teenage Birth Rate – 7th
• Births to Unmarried Mothers – 17th
• Percent of Women with Pre-Term Birth – 9th
• Percent of Pregnant Women Receiving Prenatal Care in First Trimester – 50th
All the things that are bad, Texas is at the top of the list, while everything good is at the bottom.

Is this the guy anyone wants running America?

The Perry apologists make the unfounded assumption that the job growth in TX made the state prosperous but the statistics prove otherwise. Texas is 42nd in the nation for Physicians per Capita. So, even if you are willing to pay out-of-pocket, their are a shortage of doctors -- and paying out-of-pocket is probably what you do since Texas is 48th in Employer-Based Health Insurance and 49th in Per Capita State Spending on Medicaid.

Texas seems like Xanadu for the rich, who have an ample supply of low-wage workers who have few protections.

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Old 08-18-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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You discount 1 in 5 jobs?

In any case, I was making to point earlier in this thread that Perry's "Texas Miracle" is due to population growth and isn't such a miracle when factoring out that growth. In fact, Texas' job growth is dead last (like much of Texas statistics.)
No, but you and the Left are trying to. What you fail to admit is Perry has tapped into those oil resources that benefit his state...obama has locked them up tight, to the detriment of the country.

Again, you need to understand why you're once again wrong.

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

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The reason is that people are flocking to Texas in massive numbers. Starting at the beginning of the recession (December 2007), let's look at how this set of states have grown in their labor force.

As you can see, Texas isn't just the fastest growing... it's growing over twice as fast as the second fastest state and three times as fast as the third. Given that Texas is (to borrow a technical term) f***ing huge, this growth is incredible.
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:01 AM
 
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Your National Review column proclaims that Krugman is 1/2 right, conceding that population growth is, in fact, the reason for the job growth in Texas. What the author is asserting is that "A booming economy, and the jobs that go with it, leads to population growth."

But how much of that has to do with Perry? According to ABC, And while Texas attracts companies that move there because of low wages and low regulation, there is then the flip-side cost of low wage workers needing Medicaid and Food Stamps -- but Texas' is cheap with Medicaid (49th in nation), so the working poor do without.

That's a contributing factor of why Texas is expected to collect $72.2 billion in taxes, fees and other general revenue during the 2012-13 budget, putting the shortfall at $27 billion, according to the Texas Comptroller’s report (PDF). Worse, even as Rick Perry railed against the Recovery Act, he used the government's stimulus plan to cover 97 percent of the state's budget deficit in 2009.

Another part of the flip-side of Texas' "pro-business, low tax, low regulation" environment is Texas' poor investment in public needs.

This is from the very conservative Washington Times, in an article called "Rick Perry America: A nightmare for families and education."

All the things that are bad, Texas is at the top of the list, while everything good is at the bottom.

Is this the guy anyone wants running America?

The Perry apologists make the unfounded assumption that the job growth in TX made the state prosperous but the statistics prove otherwise. Texas is 42nd in the nation for Physicians per Capita. So, even if you are willing to pay out-of-pocket, their are a shortage of doctors -- and paying out-of-pocket is probably what you do since Texas is 48th in Employer-Based Health Insurance and 49th in Per Capita State Spending on Medicaid.
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I'll go with our Comptroller's report over ABC or the Washington Times.
Comptroller’s Economic Outlook

Texas Ahead: Economic Outlook
Also like what this guy said in his article:

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That is not an argument I'm having at this exact moment. My point is to show that most of the "excuses" you will hear about Texas' job statistics are based in nothing more than a hope that Rick Perry had nothing to do with them and not on a sound understanding of the data.

Rick Perry And Texas Job Numbers « Political Math
And read Item Six in this article - Texas ranks poorly in educational spending and high school graduations - to find out the skewed numbers:

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Texas does rank near the bottom of generalized rankings in spending per student and high school graduations, but as usual, those rankings alone are misleading.

http://www.redstate.com/izoneguy/201...ut-rick-perry/
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Old 08-18-2011, 07:03 AM
 
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No, but you and the Left are trying to. What you fail to admit is Perry has tapped into those oil resources that benefit his state...obama has locked them up tight, to the detriment of the country.

Again, you need to understand why you're once again wrong.

Rick Perry And Texas Job Numbers « Political Math
Your oil claim is similar to two assertions made by prominent GOP wingnuts. The first is a falsehood Rick Santorum spewed and Politifacts rated it:


The second is one Sarah Palin claiming, "the Gulf of Mexico drilling moratorium will cause projected 150,000 barrel a day production drop." Politifact rated that:


Merely asserting that someone who disagrees with you is wrong doesn't make them wrong. It's clear that you start off with a preconceived position then find thin facts to reinforce that position.

When even the Washington Times, the staunchly conservative newspaper, writes that Rick Perry is a nightmare and for families and Karl Rove criticizes him for being over the top, even Republicans must take notice.

The bottom line is that the body of evidence is that there was no Perry lead "Texas Miracle" and conditions for ordinary people in Texas are much better elsewhere in the nation.
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