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Old 08-30-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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How do we know he didn't better grades than Obama?

Again, I think he's OK with people playing up the dumb thing. It's going to mean that expectations are so low for his debates, when he actually does a fair job it will seem like he's done a stellar one. Win by not losing.


I disagree with, but totally respect your position there.
Well if you like NeoCon foreign policy. Perry is your man. I disagree; however, while I respect your right to have it; I don't respect NeoCon foreign policy. Too many innocent people have died for Neocon foreign policy and it has pushed us further into debt.

Perry is smart enough to listen to really intelligent people, unfortunately, they are neocons.
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Old 08-30-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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Well if you like NeoCon foreign policy. Perry is your man. I disagree; however, while I respect your right to have it; I don't respect NeoCon foreign policy. Too many innocent people have died for Neocon foreign policy and it has pushed us further into debt.

Perry is smart enough to listen to really intelligent people, unfortunately, they are neocons.
Believing that there are certain instances where the US needs to be out there in the world (and yes, in the middle east) does not equal neocon foreign policy. You said Obama wasn't a neocon -- but he had no problem intervening in Libya, and escalating things in Afghanistan.

People like to say that the US shouldn't be the world's police force... and I agree with that generally. But when something in the world really goes wrong, everyone just takes for granted that we'll be the ones to fix it (or at least lead the charge). US isolationism is what allowed Hitler to do what he did. We can't go back to that, no matter how much the Ron Paul supporters want to. Doesn't mean there aren't stupid wars fought for false pretenses -- but it does mean we shouldn't be afraid to play the role of leader of the free world. When we decide to give up that role, it's because we're ready to let the American Dream go into retirement; to sit back, gentrify, dwindle in population and importance... basically sit back in our chairs and watch the next world superpower take a turn.

Pretty sure the men and women who sign up for our all-volunteer military understand that their role involves protecting our ideals and interests around the world; it doesn't just mean literally defending the domestic territory. Perhaps they are the people we should ask whether Israel is worth defending; or whether a brutal dictator is worth toppling.

Anyway, Perry says he's against "military adventurism", but reserves the right to unilaterally act. I read his foreign policy as acknowledging we are in some wasteful, dead-end military conflicts; but preserving the idea that maybe America does know best when it comes to protecting it's interests, and that of the free world.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:42 PM
 
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Is "neocon" the most commonly misused word on this site?
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Is "neocon" the most commonly misused word on this site?
i think some just think it sound trendy, I wonder where it came from or if the users really know what it means.

Nita
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Is "neocon" the most commonly misused word on this site?

That's a tough one, because there are so many misused terms on this site LOL. Perry is a neocon though, his policy lines up with Strauss. His past campaign promises may say otherwise, but you can't blame people for judging a person by their actions in politics and not their words.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:54 AM
 
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Is "neocon" the most commonly misused word on this site?
No, that would be "socialist."
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Old 08-31-2011, 07:00 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Default If Perry is the Republican Nominee...

... Obama wins in a walk.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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Believing that there are certain instances where the US needs to be out there in the world (and yes, in the middle east) does not equal neocon foreign policy. You said Obama wasn't a neocon -- but he had no problem intervening in Libya, and escalating things in Afghanistan.

People like to say that the US shouldn't be the world's police force... and I agree with that generally. But when something in the world really goes wrong, everyone just takes for granted that we'll be the ones to fix it (or at least lead the charge). US isolationism is what allowed Hitler to do what he did. We can't go back to that, no matter how much the Ron Paul supporters want to. Doesn't mean there aren't stupid wars fought for false pretenses -- but it does mean we shouldn't be afraid to play the role of leader of the free world. When we decide to give up that role, it's because we're ready to let the American Dream go into retirement; to sit back, gentrify, dwindle in population and importance... basically sit back in our chairs and watch the next world superpower take a turn.

Pretty sure the men and women who sign up for our all-volunteer military understand that their role involves protecting our ideals and interests around the world; it doesn't just mean literally defending the domestic territory. Perhaps they are the people we should ask whether Israel is worth defending; or whether a brutal dictator is worth toppling.

Anyway, Perry says he's against "military adventurism", but reserves the right to unilaterally act. I read his foreign policy as acknowledging we are in some wasteful, dead-end military conflicts; but preserving the idea that maybe America does know best when it comes to protecting it's interests, and that of the free world.
Perhaps you did not get the memo. We are broke. We have no more money to protect anyone but our own country. Lets stick to that. If there is a military conflict that we must fight in, We should pay for it as we go. If americans were forced with the choice of paying an additional $3,000 a year in income tax to invade Iraq and Afghanistan we would never be there. It is easy to promilitaristic, if you don't have to pay for it.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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Perhaps you did not get the memo. We are broke. We have no more money to protect anyone but our own country. Lets stick to that. If there is a military conflict that we must fight in, We should pay for it as we go.
Pay as you go is a good idea; and if we had a better economy and leadership, we'd be able to do that. Perhaps even have some kind of a fund set aside for emergencies, whether it is a hurricane or a serious threat to the world. A sort of "rainy day" fund. That's far better than borrowing for those things, I agree.

So fix the economy, fix the entitlements, get the financial house in order... "don't spend all the money", in other words. That makes sense and should have been done long ago.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Southwest Desert
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We're all different...We're all going to have different views and opinions when it comes to each of the candidates...Someone who seems "just right" to me may turn other voters "off" and vica-versa.
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