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Old 09-09-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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In case some more folk are wondering why Ron Paul gets the "kook" treatment, this thread is exhibit A.


I am still waiting for some bright Ron Paul enthusiast to come along and enlighten us on the way RPs Gold Standard will work.

As per usual, the devil is in the details!
Paul also thinks the Constitution says that only gold and silver can be coined into money. It says no such thing.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Abortion is the only gray area because you are not just involving your own rights, but the Constitutional rights of an imminent being. The argument will never get solved, and that's why it's up to the states and not the fedgov.

The argument has been solved....by the Supreme Court and Roe v Wade.

Football is apples and oranges, but if it meant giving up guilty pleasures to restore this country's freedoms, you betcha! (pun intended)

I don't believe you.

Have you seen Ron Paul's foreign policy compared to Obama's? Obama kills more babies than Ron would, that's a fact.

Like I said, at least the pro-choice crowd is consistent by voting baby killers to restore their baby killing rights.
Ummmm.....didn't the pro-life crowd vote in Bush, who got us into all of these wars in the first place? I guess that would make pro-lifers hypocrites and baby killers.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: SC
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Paul also thinks the Constitution says that only gold and silver can be coined into money. It says no such thing.
In Section 8 it says Congress shall have the power to "Coin Money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin"..

It says nothing about Congress shall have the power to create a fiat currency out of paper.

Ron Paul would not misrepresent what is in the Constitution.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Paul also thinks the Constitution says that only gold and silver can be coined into money. It says no such thing.
Taken from someone who put it more eloquently than I.

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Your questions alone show that you do not completely understand the Constitution. But, do not take that comment in a bad way - many of us have only learned these things recently or in the past few years as well.
"this doesn't prohibit the printing of unbacked paper money does it?"
and
"can anybody tell me where it says that the federal government cannot print unbacked paper money in the constitution?"
Notice that I put the words in your quotes, "cannot" and "prohibit", in bold. These are the key points in regards to your misunderstanding of the Constitution.
The Constitution is NOT a list of what the federal government cannot do. It is NOT a list of prohibitions on the federal government.
The Constitution IS a list of what the federal government is authorized to do, with ALL ELSE being DENIED to it by default. The absense of specific constitutional authorization for anything means that the federal government is denied/prohibited by default.
Amendments 9 & 10 are probably the clearest and most simple explanation of that point:
AMENDMENT IX
RIGHTS RETAINED BY THE PEOPLE
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
AMENDMENT X
POWERS RETAINED BY THE STATES AND THE PEOPLE
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
About the money issue, take the following from the Constitution:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 5: The Congress shall have Power…To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.
Article I, Section 10, Clause 1: No State shall…coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debt.
So, from that we have:
1. The federal government can coin money.
2. States cannot coin money.
3. States have the authority of determining what can be used as a tender in payment of debts by default, because the federal government does not have that specific constitutional authorization.
4. States are then prohibited by the Constitution from making any Thing but gold or silver coin a tender in payment of debts. (Which also additionally proves that #3 is correct.)


About the Federal Reserve... in order for the Federal Reserve to be legal, as per the highest law of our land, it MUST be specifically authorized by the Constitution. It is not, therefore it is forbidden by default.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Either Annie can't read, or she lacks basic reading comprehension skills.

That or she can't get over the fact that an abortion is killing a life. She thinks that by spreading her legs without using contraception then pulling a living fetus out of her body is her "right". She's correct except for the last part.

She's also making a complaint about a government taking away her right to kill a child, yet she's all for the government taking away the right to live of those in prison. I guess she's somewhat consistent: She is pro murder.
Abortion is not murder. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

A criminal being put to death is not murder, it is an execution, big difference. Better read your bibles.

BTW, let's not forget Perry, the pro-life governor and Republican candidate, who is PROUD of the high execution rate in Texas.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Abortion is not murder. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

A criminal being put to death is not murder, it is an execution, big difference. Better read your bibles.

BTW, let's not forget Perry, the pro-life governor and Republican candidate, who is PROUD of the high execution rate in Texas.
I forgot who I asked this too here, but I don't think I had gotten an answer from you.

Why is it considered a murder in some states if a child bearing female hits a pole while driving, causes a car accident, and the fetus dies?
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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Abortion is not murder. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

A criminal being put to death is not murder, it is an execution, big difference. Better read your bibles.

BTW, let's not forget Perry, the pro-life governor and Republican candidate, who is PROUD of the high execution rate in Texas.
For someone who believes in the bible, I really wish I could be there when you die and find out how deep into hell your soul descends.

Stupid people are the best. You entertain me.
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:12 AM
 
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i think most of those women again aren't THINKING about themselves and their decisions.

morning after pill?

women have options, and they need to protect their own bodies by NOT abusing them.

abortion is abuse of a woman's body even if you don't see it as "murder".

i also think that it isn't the main issue that ron paul is concerned about-since he is much more focused on our economy,wars, foreign aid, the federal reserve, and illegal immigration. certainly, in the scheme of things, those are the bigger issues facing america and what we ALL need to be concentrating on.
And nine months of pregnancy isn't??
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I forgot who I asked this too here, but I don't think I had gotten an answer from you.

Why is it considered a murder in some states if a child bearing female hits a pole while driving, causes a car accident, and the fetus dies?
Because those laws follow the guideline that only the mother has the right to end her pregnancy, just as only the mother can decide to abort.

And laws like that should be nation wide, not state by state. You shouldn't be considered a murderer in one state and not another. By the flip of a coin you either are or you aren't....that is not right.

Now, a question for you. If a fetus is a person, a child, why can't you deduct them as a dependent on your income taxes?
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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For someone who believes in the bible, I really wish I could be there when you die and find out how deep into hell your soul descends.

Stupid people are the best. You entertain me.
I won't go to hell because there is no hell.

I am not as stupid as people who believe in fairytales.

I don't need religion as a crutch to get me through life either.
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