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Old 09-08-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Michael Steele states the GOP situation pretty clearly. Here is a tweet from him today...

"2 republican parties emerged from the debate last night. The line between the establishment and the base has never been sharper."
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Michael Steele states the GOP situation pretty clearly. Here is a tweet from him today...

"2 republican parties emerged from the debate last night. The line between the establishment and the base has never been sharper."
So then the question becomes... which is the majority in the Republican party? The establishment or the base?
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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One could really ponder how many independents and democrats may register to vote in the Republican primaries. He just may have a shot in New Hampshire.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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So you'd rather believe a politician over a scientist or environmental engineer... Okay... Suit yourself.

This whole "global warming must be stopped right now!" thing is just a bunch of bs sold to Americans. Most people who have studied the issue realize this.

Global warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon that can't be stopped by reducing our use of fossil fuels. That's a fact. Not an opinion. The science proves it.
EVERYONE in the world now seems to think he/she has a PHD in climatology! Has there ever before been so many uninformed opinions proclaimed so loudly? Do you tell the mechanic to F. off, he don’t know squat about engines? Do you send the surgeon away I know what I’m bloody doing, here hand me my filleting knife?
Why does joe average seem to know more about climate change than someone who has been studying it their whole adult life? Yeah sure there are some scientists out there on payrolls with their own agena, but you can’t tar all of them with that same brush.

Any scientist worth their salt will tell you that a theory is exactly that, a likely explanation given the evidence but not 100% sure because there is no way to be sure. Yet science and technology has always forged ahead regardless of the lack of undisputed truth because all there is to go with is a best guess. Climate change deniers however are 200% certain that it’s all a load of BS and why? because there is absolutely nothing scientific in their thinking.
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Old 09-09-2011, 01:56 PM
 
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EVERYONE in the world now seems to think he/she has a PHD in climatology! Has there ever before been so many uninformed opinions proclaimed so loudly? Do you tell the mechanic to F. off, he don’t know squat about engines? Do you send the surgeon away I know what I’m bloody doing, here hand me my filleting knife?
Why does joe average seem to know more about climate change than someone who has been studying it their whole adult life? Yeah sure there are some scientists out there on payrolls with their own agena, but you can’t tar all of them with that same brush.

Any scientist worth their salt will tell you that a theory is exactly that, a likely explanation given the evidence but not 100% sure because there is no way to be sure. Yet science and technology has always forged ahead regardless of the lack of undisputed truth because all there is to go with is a best guess. Climate change deniers however are 200% certain that it’s all a load of BS and why? because there is absolutely nothing scientific in their thinking.
No one is saying climate change doesn't exist.

What we are saying is that cutting down on our fossil fuel use won't have enough of an effect on climate change to slow its progress.

Big difference.
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