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View Poll Results: Who won the debate in your honest opinion?...
Michelle Bachmann 6 9.23%
Herman Cain 3 4.62%
Newt Gingrich 3 4.62%
Jon Huntsman 4 6.15%
Ron Paul 25 38.46%
Rick Perry 4 6.15%
Mitt Romney 18 27.69%
Rick Santorum 2 3.08%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-12-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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Likely not (but you knew that already).
I like people who lack enough intelligence to come up with a solid argument, and instead revert to the "NU-UHHHH!!!!" approach.
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Old 09-12-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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sure by borrowing from Peter to pay Paul and by raising the anti everytime one turns around. It has to be revamped...

Let's look at it this way? I am not an economist and I doubt you are, but that isn't the issue:

The program was started in the mid 1930s as a way to give a few extra $$s to seniors past 65. At that time the average life expectancy was 64. Thus a large number would never even collect and those who did would only recieve it for a short time. I don't think there was even the SS disability program included, but I am not sure.

We all know from the early 30s to the post war families were shrinking because of the war, the depression and people moving from rural America to urban America, thus there wasn't the need for large families, plus birth control was inproved which led to fewer unwanted pregnanies. Thus there are fewer people in my age group but we are living longer.

Move forward to 1945 when the baby boom started (or 46) This continued until the early to mid 60s. Now these babies are all about to become part of the SS system recepients or will soon. In the mid 60s women stopped having larger families with the introduction of the pill plus the word abortion (though still illegal) was a common word. Now, those babies are adults and are going to have to continue contributing to the program so the baby boomers can collect plus we are living into our 80s and 90s, which means maybe 20 to 30 years of receiving benefits.

And you think it is doing just fine. Well, I would disagree.

Nita
Really hate to diminish your brilliantly composed arguements with facts but...............
1. Here is THE definitive analysis of the social Security Program. I suggest you and all those who wish to expound on the merits or deficiencies of Social Security READ IT. By doing so, you will save yourself ridicule and appear that you actually have a clue. It looks like this will become one of the premier issues in the next 14 months. "Get a Clue" as they say.
Social Security: A Program and Policy History

2. As far as raising the anti every time someone turns around, Social security has been reformed or "had the anti raised" as you put it, twice. In 1977 and again in 1983. Jimmy Carter was president in 1977 and surprise, surprise! Ronald Reagan was president in 1983.

3. At the time Social Security was instituted, the poverty rate among seniors was at almost 40%. The poverty rate for seniors dropped to 10.2% within 15 years and has remained stable since that time. Life expectancy now is 77 years. The average monthly payment for a retired worker is 1117.00 per month as of Jan. 2011.
55% of the elderly depend on Social security for the bulk of their income.
Policy Basics: Top Ten Facts about Social Security on the Program's 75th Anniversary — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

4. Average length for collecting benefits is calculated at 11 years for men and 13 years for women. Not the 20 or 30 years you are stating.

In summary, The issue of Social Security is slated to be a critical campaign issue mostly foisted on the public by the Republican Party. The SS system can be fixed and remain stable with minor tweeks to the system, such as raising the full retirement age to 68 vs 66 and removing the cap on payroll deductions at 105,700. This will provide stability for the system for the next 75 years. With no changes, the system will be able to pay out full benefits until 2037 and 77% of full benefits for the next 60 years following 2037. Boomers are expected to enter the system starting this year. They will continue to enter the system until 2025. They will start to die off in 2023 and the vast majority will be dead by 2040. People who are now 30 years old will start to retire in 2047 when almost all the baby boomers are dead. There will be far more people paying into the system in 2045 than are recieving benefits. Republicans are attempting to use the fear of baby boomer overload to kill the most successful American social program ever instituted. It is a diversionary tactic, while they continue to transfer the Nation's wealth from the middle class to the rich and favored few.

Please, fellow posters, please educate yourselves using non-partisan source material I have provided. I am obviously partisan for social security but my sources and links are not. Why wouldn't I be? I'm 68 and the bulk of my income is my social security check. I have held a steady job since 1960 until 2010. That's 50 years of paying into the system. Those who are for social security and those who are against social security should know that the issue is far too important to allow a bunch of "Hack", partisan statistics to dominate the debate.

Edited to add: If you have any questions regarding social security statistics, need to find back up for the statistics I posted or any other subject, here is the best information link for instant, non partisan information.
http://www.ask.com/

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Old 09-12-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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What time does MNF come on? 7:00 pm.... Oh oh! Ah but MNF isn't NASCAR, so not to worry.
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Old 09-12-2011, 04:46 PM
 
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Huntsman was looking strong and I bet he will do well again tonight. He is well spoken, intelligent, and sane. Things that do not score points with the fox/far right brainwashed loons.
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Old 09-12-2011, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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For anyone wondering what Perry will say when he's attacked on his Social Security statements, it will go something like this:

"Well, Mr Paul.. you called it a Ponzi Scheme too. And Mitt, didn't you say it was a fraud? (ditto for the rest of the candidates -- you know they've said bad things about SS, every Republican has). Everyone on this stage agrees it has serious problems. The difference between me and my opponents is that I will come clean and tell you what I think, and they will hide their beliefs because they don't want to hurt themselves in an election."
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Old 09-12-2011, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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OK, it's started! Pop corn and beer in hand.
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:07 PM
 
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Let's see if CNN will try to fake the poll numbers like MSNBC tried to...
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: NC
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Here we go. National Anthem and all. It's like a big game
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Reality
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Look at all those racist people singing the national anthem... which of course is racist.
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:09 PM
 
Location: NC
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Huntsman all the way at the end again
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