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Old 09-14-2011, 01:30 AM
 
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We need to severely reduce our military spending. Quit being the world's police, quit fighting others' wars for them. This country runs on blood money and depends on war. This needs to stop. Also, quit giving away so much money to other countries in the name of aid. We need aid dammit! Chop all this crap and actually use that money to *gasp* improve the QOL of our own citizens. Use it towards a sane public health program. Use it save lives, not bomb lives!

The reaction of that audience was sickening. They should be ashamed of themselves. They make the human race look bad. This country needs serious, serious help if this mindset were to catch on.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:33 AM
 
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Nope, thats not the reason.
Yes that is the reason, and though I think all your spam pictures are cute, none of them will pay for the $200,000 or more every doctor practicing medicine has to pay in liability insurance before they even see one patient.

Nice attempt to divert from the real issues though, thanks.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:34 AM
 
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We need to severely reduce our military spending.
Good plan, wonder how long after that we get Jihad Johnny blowing up your local shoppers at the mall.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:44 AM
 
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Good plan, wonder how long after that we get Jihad Johnny blowing up your local shoppers at the mall.
Why would he do that? Oh that's right, we bombed the crap out his country. We killed tens of thousands of innocents and called it 'collateral damage'. We imposed our world vision and will upon them. If we quit doing that crap, maybe we won't need to in the first place.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:50 AM
 
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Why would he do that? Oh that's right, we bombed the crap out his country. We killed tens of thousands of innocents and called it 'collateral damage'. We imposed our world vision and will upon them. If we quit doing that crap, maybe we won't need to in the first place.
Wrong again, none of that was happening when they attempted to bring down the twin towers the first time and failed.

You forget Iran in the past were part of the Nazis that were with Nazi Germany in ending the Jews.

Goes back long before we reacted to 9-11.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:58 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Yes that is the reason, and though I think all your spam pictures are cute, none of them will pay for the $200,000 or more every doctor practicing medicine has to pay in liability insurance before they even see one patient.

Nice attempt to divert from the real issues though, thanks.
Don't you have any care for the truth whatsoever, RCCCB? Have you been so thoroughly brainwashed that you can't take some time to seriously consider the information Grim Reader gave you, information that is clearly and simply laid out for you?

I thank you GR for doing the footwork that I don't bother with (one of the reasons I don't bother to dig up specific facts and figures is because they're ignored or treated with uncomprehending contempt, just as you see with RCCCB - it got old for me after a while).

RCCCB, have you ever heard of "Cognitive Dissonance"? It's a psychological term meaning that many people with a set worldview (such as that universal healthcare is a bad communistic thing that causes mayhem and misery everywhere it's been tried) will actually not be able to see or hear data that contradicts what they already believe in. The mind sees that contradictory evidence as something severely threatening to its existence, and shuts down, not allowing that new data to come in.

This is what I see happening to you. When Grim Reader presented you with clear facts contradicting what you believe in (which is the rightwing viewpoint about health care), your mind literally shut down and was unable to process it. It became a blur, and you filed it under "spam".

Cognitive dissonance is something you might be interested in learning about, it's always good to know about our weaknesses as a human species. You can look it up in Wikipedia, they have an excellent short article on it. It's not just something that happens to conservatives but also to liberals and everyone else. In fact I know of several things that cause cognitive dissonance to my fellow liberals and socialists as well.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:58 AM
 
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There seems to be some lack of understanding of the amounts of money involved here. And just how enormous the waste is.

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Yes that is the reason, and though I think all your spam pictures are cute, none of them will pay for the $200,000 or more every doctor practicing medicine has to pay in liability insurance before they even see one patient.

Nice attempt to divert from the real issues though, thanks.
I'm supposed to take "yes it is!!" as some kind of argument?

Also, according to the AMA, there are 850 000 practicing doctors in America. If everyone of them paid 200 000 $ in liability insurance, that is only 170 billion. Nowhere near enough to be a major driver of the US exessive health care costs.

Of course, every doctor does not pay $ 200 000 in liability insurance. That is the high end of Florida Ob/Gyn rates. The average rate is nearer 40 000. Which makes the total 34 billion. Almost 2 % of total US health care costs.

Medical Malpractice costs.

Once again, what is it about health care costs that makes people think they can just make up numbers and arguments? There is nothing secret about these costs.

I mean RCCCB, I get it. You hate America, and want an obviously country-killing system to continue. But couldn't you find a better argument than "Yes it is!"

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We need to severely reduce our military spending. Quit being the world's police, quit fighting others' wars for them. This country runs on blood money and depends on war. This needs to stop. Also, quit giving away so much money to other countries in the name of aid. We need aid dammit! Chop all this crap and actually use that money to *gasp* improve the QOL of our own citizens. Use it towards a sane public health program. Use it save lives, not bomb lives!
US military budget: 4 % of GDP (Not counting Iraq and Afghanistan)
US foreign aid 0,1 % of GDP
US health care expenses 17 % of GDP
Of which is waste: 8,5 % of GDP.

The problem is, Americas health care system wastes more than twice the miliary budget plus the foreign aid budget.
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Old 09-14-2011, 02:02 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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We seem to cross-post a lot, Grim Reader!
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:12 AM
 
Location: California
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Remember the Germans did not start with Aushwitz.
They started with vulnerable populations. They made it acceptable to kill retarded children in the medical setting for the good of the Fatherland. It is impossible to build any kind of bridge between the teachings of Jesus and the beliefs of these people. They are not Christians, but they are a death-worshipping cult.

I'm not a Christian, but this seems appropriate since so many Republicans and Teabaggers like hoarding that label over the rest of us while they do terrible things. Here is a verse from your Bible. [King James version]

Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

- Matthew 25:40
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Wrong again, none of that was happening when they attempted to bring down the twin towers the first time and failed.

You forget Iran in the past were part of the Nazis that were with Nazi Germany in ending the Jews.

Goes back long before we reacted to 9-11.
umm the hijackers were almost all saudi as was Osama..and Iran needs to get with the time the Nazis are gone for good and Germany is a economic power house same with Japan and we all get along and are allies and part of the westren world..
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