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Old 09-13-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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PolitiFact | Rick Perry says the 2009 stimulus 'created zero jobs'
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Old 09-13-2011, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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think about it this way:

2009 and 2010 many of the jobs that may have been created were things like part time census workers, (those do count) but they really are not jobs as in full time, long term. Add to that the source of the information is coming from CBO which isn't always right on. too many people think just because a dept claims something it is right. We all need to investigate on our own. Maybe he is wrong, maybe right, I don't take what CBO says as the last word, nor do I take what a politician says as the last word.

NIta

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Old 09-13-2011, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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think about it this way, if you can open your eyes a little:

2009 and 2010 many of the jobs that may have been created were things like part time census workers, (those do count) but they really are not jobs as in full time, long term. Add to that the source of the information is coming from CBO which isn't always right on. too many people think just because a dept claims something it is right. We all need to investigate on our own. Maybe he is wrong, maybe right, I don't take what CBO says as the last word, nor do I take what a politician says as the last word.

NIta
This is why I look at private sector jobs, rather than "jobs" (I recall one of the debaters, probably Romney, pointing that out against Perry who was in a celebratory mood about job growth). It is why I feel that job growth in the entire decade has been a disaster (only government jobs went positive between 2001 and 2008).

However, the 2 million plus jobs created in about 14-15 months since Jan 2010, were in the private sector and has come to a grinding half for last 3-4 months, likely to due to a lot of distractionary politics being played in Washington.

Even though that number is far from being impressive, when was the last time nearly 9 million jobs were lost in a recession? That speaks of the disaster the economic collapse, and to expect rapid growth despite the games being played in Washington (and for election purpose only), is simply unrealistic. Just as conveniently as one might claim there wasn't job growth (if we ignore the 2 million jobs in private sector), one could claim that it would have been another loss of millions of jobs if not for the efforts to stabilize the economy. After all, from the job losses from 2001 recession, which was hardly a "job problem recession", we didn't really recover until the housing bubble started to help sometime in 2005 and that growth only lasted two years, followed by a disasterous fall taking us back a decade (whereas the population grew by 10%).
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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think about it this way, if you can open your eyes a little:

2009 and 2010 many of the jobs that may have been created were things like part time census workers, (those do count) but they really are not jobs as in full time, long term. Add to that the source of the information is coming from CBO which isn't always right on. too many people think just because a dept claims something it is right. We all need to investigate on our own. Maybe he is wrong, maybe right, I don't take what CBO says as the last word, nor do I take what a politician says as the last word.

NIta
How about you not try to be insulting and just post a response that doesn't include putting down the poster?? It was uncalled for.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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"Created or saved". A metric NEVER, EVER USED BEFORE to measure job growth. A made-up construct of the obama administration.

How does one create or save 1.8 million while at the same time actually LOSING 2.4 million jobs, the jobs that have been lost since obama took office?
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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"Created or saved". A metric NEVER, EVER USED BEFORE to measure job growth. A made-up construct of the obama administration.

How does one create or save 1.8 million while at the same time actually LOSING 2.4 million jobs, the jobs that have been lost since obama took office?
I don't think this will get through to you, but millions of jobs would have been lost (guaranteed) if GM (for example) were allowed to disappear.
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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Default Rick Perry Lies About the Stimulus

Lying at the GOP debates is common standard nowadays, but here's some actual numbers to prove Rick Perry is a liar.

Fact Check: Did the stimulus create “zero” jobs? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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When did the truth get in the way of the GOP?
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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When did the truth get in the way of the GOP?
When actual data put out by the CBO became liberal. God help us if one of these loons gets elected.
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Lying at the GOP debates is common standard nowadays, but here's some actual numbers to prove Rick Perry is a liar.

Fact Check: Did the stimulus create “zero” jobs? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Let's be fair: this isn't exclusive to Governor Goodhair. This lie is the standard claim among Republicans, including many of our obvious Republicans around here.
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