If Romney Wins The Nomination Should The TP Leave The GOP? (date)

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by monkeywrenching

the point I am trying to make is, that obamacare is based on the work that mass. and romney did and instituted. if romney would have never had romneycare, then the likelyhood that obamacare in its current form existing is lowered.

romneycare and obamacare are 2 of the same programs, it is just that 1 is at the state level and the other at the federal level.

It is not unconstitutional at the state level, it is at the federal level and surely you realize Obamacare in some shape or form would still exist with or without Massachusetts Healthcare Reform. You do realize other states have implemented healthcare reform, don't you? Maine and Vermont have plans similar to Massachusetts and many other states have modified versions such as Tennessee and Kentucky who have TennCare and KCHIP for uninsured children. Most states are moving in one way or another to some program for healthcare reform. This is not some unique and odd thing only related to Massachusetts. It has just been overblown for election purposes.

[Matt Kim]

Originally Posted by dixiegirl7

It is not unconstitutional at the state level, it is at the federal level and surely you realize Obamacare in some shape or form would still exist with or without Massachusetts Healthcare Reform. You do realize other states have implemented healthcare reform, don't you? Maine and Vermont have plans similar to Massachusetts and many other states have modified versions such as Tennessee and Kentucky who have TennCare and KCHIP for uninsured children. Most states are moving in one way or another to some program for healthcare reform. This is not some unique and odd thing only related to Massachusetts. It has just been overblown for election purposes.

Romney needs to be defeated in the primaries.

He's a big government technocrat.

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by Matt Kim

Romney needs to be defeated in the primaries.

He's a big government technocrat.

Define 'big government technocrat'.

[Matt Kim]

Originally Posted by dixiegirl7

Define 'big government technocrat'.

Government run healthcare.

Don't tell me about states rights.

The 10th Amendment is not a sanctuary for lousy ideas.

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by Matt Kim

Government run healthcare.

Don't tell me about states rights.

The 10th Amendment is not a sanctuary for lousy ideas.

Reforming healthcare was orginally a Republican idea and it is something every state will have to or has dealt with. It is not the boogey man issue those who are uniformed try to make it.

[Matt Kim]

Originally Posted by dixiegirl7

Reforming healthcare was orginally a Republican idea and it is something every state will have to or has dealt with. It is not the boogey man issue those who are uniformed try to make it.

Who cares if Newt Gingrich thought of mandates first?

Every poll that comes out shows less and less support in the country for Obamacare.

Romney is a lying liberal

[dixiegirl7]

Originally Posted by Matt Kim

Who cares if Newt Gingrich thought of mandates first?

Every poll that comes out shows less and less support in the country for Obamacare.

Romney is a lying liberal

No need to be nasty and it wasn't just Newt Gingrich. The healthcare in Massachusetts is not Obamacare no matter how you or those of your mentality want to make it that.

[mb1547]

Originally Posted by Trace21230

I suppose the tea party needs to nominate an unknown who gives a good speech, come up with a catchy slogan like "Hope and Change" and then paint the opposition as "extreme."

Then we might have a chance with Obama voters like you.

Kind of like Herman Cain?

[HeyJude514]

Originally Posted by JohnSoCal

The Tea Party will not leave the GOP regardless of the nominee.

You're right, they'll vote for Romney, a "RINO" by their own definition, the very kind of politician they have railed against for the last few years. Proving what many of us have known all along--that the Tea Party, in fact, stands for nothing. They make a lot of noise, but in the end, they are just a tool of the GOP. And the established GOP is counting on that.

[box_of_zip_disks]

Originally Posted by Randomstudent

They should, but as we all know the vast majority of the "Tea Party" is bought and paid for. They will likely Kowtow to Romney if he is the nominee, and whomever else freedomworks tells them to.

This'll be the case more likely than not but it would be hilarious to see them think for themselves for once in their lives and resist the obvious corralling from their preferred media outlets. Maybe we'll get a repeat of the '68 DNC in Tampa next August.

Originally Posted by monkeywrenching

the point I am trying to make is, that obamacare is based on the work that mass. and romney did and instituted. if romney would have never had romneycare, then the likelyhood that obamacare in its current form existing is lowered.

Eh, not really. Romney's plan was consulted as far as implementation goes but the basic ideas behind it lay in AEI's plan written up in 1993 in opposition to Hillary Clinton's national health care plan.