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Old 11-05-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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You and I finally agree on something, Dixiegirl. I'm embarrassed about the Republican field, too, and I mean that sincerely. What an image we are projecting to the world with these cartoon characters, Bachmann, Perry and now Cain. This is the best and the brightest that the GOP can muster? We completely disagree on Romney's character, but at least I've never doubted that he understands the key issues, and could handle the office of president. These other clowns, not so much.


Miracles never cease...lol . I don't expect people to agree on everything about a candidate, but I will never understand how some people support certain candidates and think we can actually run them and win. Then I hear it's not all about winning....ok, not winning is what we did last time and how did that turn out for everyone? This election could undoubtedly be one of the most important in our lifetimes. It is imperative that we WIN! There are so many changes that the Obama administration will finish if they get back in office for another four years that will make life as we have known it in the US very, very different for our children and grandchildren. That is why we better quit messing around with these quirky candidates and get down to business here.

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Old 11-05-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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Miracles never cease...lol . I don't expect people to agree on everything about a candidate, but I will never understand how some people support certain candidates and think we can actually run them and win. Then I hear it's not all about winning....ok, not winning is what we did last time and how did that turn out for everyone? This election could undoubtedly be one of the most important in our lifetimes. It is imperative that we WIN! There are so many changes that the Obama administration will finish if they get back in office for another four years that will make life as we have known it in the US very, very different for our children and grandchildren. That is why we better quick messing around with these quirky candidates and get down to business here.
Some people would rather support an 'ideologically pure' (whatever that is to them) candidate and lose, than support one that can actually win and will implement some, maybe even most-- but not all -- of what that voter wants.

So you might have those on the left throwing votes at Nader while some on the right throw votes at a Constitution Party candidate, whoever that might be.

They'd rather be able to sit back for the next four years and look down their nose at their fellow conservatives/liberals (whichever the case) and say, "See? I told you he/she wouldn't be perfect! It's not my fault you're disappointed, I've washed my hands of the whole business!" than actually have a President who is some or much, but not all, of what they would like.

Politics is messy, awkward, imperfect, and inevitably full of compromises and tradeoffs. Some people just can't handle that.
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Old 11-05-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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OK, so I know you guys don't believe all the sexual harassment allegations against Cain, dismiss them as "liberal media smear", "high-tech lynching" etc. You guys stand with him now, and say you even make him the GOP nominee. But you also want to beat Obama more than anything else in the world.

Now what happens if more details emerge about Cain after the GOP nomination, this time details so damaging that all other independent/moderate/neutral voters won't touch Cain with a barge-pole after that? If Cain gets painted as a serial sex offender, you will basically be handing Obama a landslide victory. Did you consider that possibility? What then? After the GOP nomination, the so-called "liberal media" will have an incredible incentive to dig up every dirt they can.

I have been mulling over this, and decided to ask.


lol this is just silly
if this guy was a serial sex offender, trust me, we would know it!
are you this wrecked about Herman Cain??
If so, gosh, get a life, quick!!
There is not a nomination yet, so why are you so lathered up??
I am voting for ANYONE that runs against Obama
who ever that is, I think it will me Mitt, but who knows
I doubt Cain will last, but I am in no hurry
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Old 11-05-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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Some people would rather support an 'ideologically pure' (whatever that is to them) candidate and lose, than support one that can actually win and will implement some, maybe even most-- but not all -- of what that voter wants.

So you might have those on the left throwing votes at Nader while some on the right throw votes at a Constitution Party candidate, whoever that might be.

They'd rather be able to sit back for the next four years and look down their nose at their fellow conservatives/liberals (whichever the case) and say, "See? I told you he/she wouldn't be perfect! It's not my fault you're disappointed, I've washed my hands of the whole business!" than actually have a President who is some or much, but not all, of what they would like.

Politics is messy, awkward, imperfect, and inevitably full of compromises and tradeoffs. Some people just can't handle that.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.â€- John Quincy Adams
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Old 11-05-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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Some people would rather support an 'ideologically pure' (whatever that is to them) candidate and lose, than support one that can actually win and will implement some, maybe even most-- but not all -- of what that voter wants.

So you might have those on the left throwing votes at Nader while some on the right throw votes at a Constitution Party candidate, whoever that might be.

They'd rather be able to sit back for the next four years and look down their nose at their fellow conservatives/liberals (whichever the case) and say, "See? I told you he/she wouldn't be perfect! It's not my fault you're disappointed, I've washed my hands of the whole business!" than actually have a President who is some or much, but not all, of what they would like.

Politics is messy, awkward, imperfect, and inevitably full of compromises and tradeoffs. Some people just can't handle that.

I guess I am just too pragmatic to be an idealogue.
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:54 PM
 
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"Please tell me why you support Cain apart from the fact that he is an amiable African American Republican."

Ahh, thinking you "had me here" on the race thing? that maybe I was like millions of Obama voters that voted for him, not knowing diddly about him, and Howard Stern's radio show proved that....just cuz he was black?!

I found it!! A radio clip of Stern telling what his people did, in questioning Obama supporters on the street. The "f" word is used in this clip, in case anyone is shocked or bothered by it, I give the warning here.....oh, this was genius of them, to do! Very revealing how we got stuck with a Communist president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAiarOhC2U



Nope...

Cain was head of the Federal Reseve in Kansas City! we have a problem with the Fed and its arrogance. Cain knows more about this one subject than BO knows about our entire country, for no great teacher than EXPERIENCE does exist.

However, Cain's expertise goes far beyond just this one issue, but it's one of my top reasons for sending the gentleman money, and voting for him as soon as I have the opportunity.

He brought Godfather Pizza back from bankruptcy in little over a year, he was CEO of the National, restaurant association, he is humble--he worked every job in flipping burgers that exists at a franchise before running, Burger King, I think it was!

This man has had many careers from the TOP, compared to our lame, empty-suited "Community Organizer" that hasn't run anything, until now.

Cain is also a mathematical genius, but the Subversive Media won't tell even half of his Huge Accomplisments. *( He served on the Board of large corporations such as Nabisco, Readers Digest and Whirlpool, too!) He worked for the Navy, in Ballistics, I think it was.

President Cain, I pray sincerely, to our Lord.
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Old 11-05-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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They eventually put Cain in charge of a chain of BK franchises, and later Godfather pizza. Godfather Pizza had been profitable since almost day one, but had suffered from some franchise and management problems. At no time were they headed for bankruptcy. Cain had stated the franchise was in good shape, with good management when he arrived. His goal was to raise revenues and profits. Godfather pizza sales declined three years straight, and was put up for sale at that point by Pillsbury. For the ten year period through 1995, the pizza chain basically was flat to break-even.

Pillsbury took a huge loss selling the chain, which had to be done due to continued bad performance and their stock's daily downward spiral. Hardly the turnaround I expected to read about, but I did hear about it. It never occurred.
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Old 11-05-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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"Please tell me why you support Cain apart from the fact that he is an amiable African American Republican."

Ahh, thinking you "had me here" on the race thing? that maybe I was like millions of Obama voters that voted for him, not knowing diddly about him, and Howard Stern's radio show proved that....just cuz he was black?!

I found it!! A radio clip of Stern telling what his people did, in questioning Obama supporters on the street. The "f" word is used in this clip, in case anyone is shocked or bothered by it, I give the warning here.....oh, this was genius of them, to do! Very revealing how we got stuck with a Communist president.


Howard Stern Interviews Obama Supporters - YouTube



Nope...

Cain was head of the Federal Reseve in Kansas City! we have a problem with the Fed and its arrogance. Cain knows more about this one subject than BO knows about our entire country, for no great teacher than EXPERIENCE does exist.

However, Cain's expertise goes far beyond just this one issue, but it's one of my top reasons for sending the gentleman money, and voting for him as soon as I have the opportunity.

He brought Godfather Pizza back from bankruptcy in little over a year, he was CEO of the National, restaurant association, he is humble--he worked every job in flipping burgers that exists at a franchise before running, Burger King, I think it was!

This man has had many careers from the TOP, compared to our lame, empty-suited "Community Organizer" that hasn't run anything, until now.

Cain is also a mathematical genius, but the Subversive Media won't tell even half of his Huge Accomplisments. *( He served on the Board of large corporations such as Nabisco, Readers Digest and Whirlpool, too!) He worked for the Navy, in Ballistics, I think it was.

President Cain, I pray sincerely, to our Lord.
You seem like someone is sincere in the desire for change and improving America. I believe you sincerely support Cain because you think he may be that man, but I believe you are sincerely wrong. You cite Herman Cain's position with the Federal Reserve as a positive, you're off the mark here. Herman Cain's a bankster insider and his position with the Fed is precisely the reason we should run from him as fast as we can. He may know full well how the Fed works but if he doesn't want to even audit the Fed, what good does that do?

Also, the National Restaurant Association is a lobbyist group so Herman Cain was the head lobbyist in the restaurant industry. A lobbyist, what's outsider about that?

Herman Cain also supported TARP and chided those who didn't as "free market purists." Herman Cain also went on record stating he wouldn't appoint a Muslim to his cabinet, which is clearly discrimination.


I Herman Cain Supported the TARP Bailouts HD - YouTube


No Need To Audit the Federal Reserve According to Herman Cain - YouTube


Herman Cain Flip-Flops on Federal Reserve Audit - YouTube


Herman Cain Flip-Flops on Raising Debt Ceiling - YouTube


Herman Cain refuses to appoint a Muslim in his administration - YouTube

Herman Cain also doesn't like to be called out on his ignorant comments:


Herman Cain Screams at Reporter at Right Online - YouTube


Herman Cain Super Happy Abortion Time! - YouTube
(By the way the guy's face at 0:24 is priceless.)

Herman Cain is NOT an outsider like he claims to be, he's a Fed Chairman, a lobbyist, he supported TARP, and he doesn't seem to be the most consistent man running.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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Herman Cain has my money, what little I can send now and then, and my vote. What we have now is the ruination of our country at the hand of Communists, and nothing less.

As for the Fed, that remains one of the reasons that he is getting my vote. About TARP--a lot of folks supported it at the time because our Federal Legislative Branch was lied to. They were told there could or would be rioting in the streets without it. I wish I could recall what member of Congress or Senate bravely, publicly told how they were lied to at the time.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:12 PM
 
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Herman Cain has my money, what little I can send now and then, and my vote. What we have now is the ruination of our country at the hand of Communists, and nothing less.

As for the Fed, that remains one of the reasons that he is getting my vote. About TARP--a lot of folks supported it at the time because our Federal Legislative Branch was lied to. They were told there could or would be rioting in the streets without it. I wish I could recall what member of Congress or Senate bravely, publicly told how they were lied to at the time.
Whether they were lied to or not is immaterial. The point of the matter is the government has no business intervening into the marketplace. It was government intervention that lead the creation of the housing bubble and the meltdown that ensued in the fall of 2008. Herman Cain's employment at the Federal Reserve, and at a lobbyist group, added to the fact that he in September of 2008 wrote that the economy was fine and then supported TARP signal to me that he's not qualified to lead us out of this mess.

Keynesian economic policies lead us to the point where we're at, a candidate who supports further manipulation of the market in the form of TARP programs and bailouts only exacerbates the problem. The fact that Herman Cain couldn't see the meltdown coming literally days before it's start and his support of corporate socialism disqualify him in my mind.

If you believe that Federal Reserve is a problem, which you've indicated that you do, then I can't see how you could support a former Federal Reserve Chairman who doesn't believe we should do anything to the Fed at all. He disagrees with even auditing it.
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