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Old 11-17-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Gone
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I didn't condemn anyone for it. I happen to prefer this brand of pandering to many others, as I am relatively non-supportive of illegals having any rights at all in our country. Politicians restrict access to their events all the time so that they can make a certain impression on a certain crows. So far, I haven't heard about Perry giving half a billion dollars to any of his contributors in the form of guaranteed government loans.
You must have missed where he wanted all school girls implanted with an experimental drug made by one of his biggest contributors. Read up on Perry, but be warned, it is not a happy one for many Texans.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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why would those that are not citizens expect to have any input to an American election?
It's fairly easy for someone to produce a valid ID, even if they're here illegally. Just sayin'.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:19 AM
 
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Federal law requires companies holding defense contracts to verfiy the citizenship status of employees. Perry was doing the right thing to make sure that people of the company who wanted to attend his campaign event were in fact citizens. It just makes sense, considering the media frenzy that would have ensued had he held this event in the presence of illegals at a defense contractor.
I agree, which is why we should be required to carry our ID on us at all times. Considering that government contractors repair our streets, add sidewalks, build schools, and even help develop and maintain the internet, I think it's pretty clear that Americans need to carry papers with them everywhere they go. Police should also have the power to invade your home for fear of illegal aliens using the internet and spreading pro-illegal propaganda. How can they know who's illegal and who isn't unless we give them these broad powers? Hey, if you're not illegal, you have nothing to hide.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:30 AM
 
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Federal law requires companies holding defense contracts to verfiy the citizenship status of employees. Perry was doing the right thing to make sure that people of the company who wanted to attend his campaign event were in fact citizens. It just makes sense, considering the media frenzy that would have ensued had he held this event in the presence of illegals at a defense contractor.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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You must have missed where he wanted all school girls implanted with an experimental drug made by one of his biggest contributors. Read up on Perry, but be warned, it is not a happy one for many Texans.
You must have missed the part where Texas has "opt-out" exemptions for ALL vaccines.

You must have missed the data showing Texas being one of the states with the largest percentage of cervical cancer.

You must have missed the part that the Garadsil vaccine is recommended at ages 11-12, in order not to pass the five-year window of proven effectiveness.

You must have missed
the part that the EO was signed in order to allow the vaccine to be put on the immunization schedule in order to bring the 3-shot regimen to a more affordable place for those that would choose to take it. Insurance companies would not cover the $360 cost if it was simply an optional/recommended vaccine. It would then be the cost of a co-pay.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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You must have missed the part where Texas has "opt-out" exemptions for ALL vaccines.

You must have missed the data showing Texas being one of the states with the largest percentage of cervical cancer.

You must have missed the part that the Garadsil vaccine is recommended at ages 11-12, in order not to pass the five-year window of proven effectiveness.

You must have missed the part that the EO was signed in order to allow the vaccine to be put on the immunization schedule in order to bring the 3-shot regimen to a more affordable place for those that would choose to take it. Insurance companies would not cover the $360 cost if it was simply an optional/recommended vaccine. It would then be the cost of a co-pay.
You would not have gotten the exemption, count on that.
So what, people can go have their child implanted if they want, the state has NO Business mandating such a thing for our daughters. Thought repubs were for government not getting in our personal business, oh unless it is something YOU want.
Yes, ignore the studies that say it may do more harm than good.
Choose, yes, that is a parents choice for their children he was talking making it mandatory, something very profitable for one of his Big Backers.
YOU must have missed the fact that our Republcian Controlled Legislature are the ones that put an end to his stupidity.
Keep swinging, you might hit one sooner or later.
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Old 11-18-2011, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The proper response when asked to prove one's citizenship is "prove that I am not." Nobody in the US is required to prove their innocence or their citizenship. The burden of proof is on those seeking the information.
I think anyone attending a political event should be able to prove citizenship it those in charge request it...I can't understand why anyone would question this!!!
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I think anyone attending a political event should be able to prove citizenship it those in charge request it...I can't understand why anyone would question this!!!
In the US the burden of proof falls on the accuser. If you are going to accuse someone of a crime then it is you that must prove a crime has been committed. If you want to live someplace where you have to prove your own innocence when accused of a crime, then you certainly do not belong in the US.

In this particular case it was nothing more than a political ploy and served no useful purpose. Anyone who works for a US company must prove they are US citizens or otherwise legally allowed to work in the US before they are hired. Therefore, by asking these employees to prove they are US citizens Perry is either accusing the company of violating federal law or accusing individuals of committing fraud and/or identity theft.

Every member who attended this Perry rally should have been offended by Perry's implied accusation. Not only should they not have attended the meeting, but they should make certain that Perry never gets their vote.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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In the US the burden of proof falls on the accuser. If you are going to accuse someone of a crime then it is you that must prove a crime has been committed. If you want to live someplace where you have to prove your own innocence when accused of a crime, then you certainly do not belong in the US.

In this particular case it was nothing more than a political ploy and served no useful purpose. Anyone who works for a US company must prove they are US citizens or otherwise legally allowed to work in the US before they are hired. Therefore, by asking these employees to prove they are US citizens Perry is either accusing the company of violating federal law or accusing individuals of committing fraud and/or identity theft.

Every member who attended this Perry rally should have been offended by Perry's implied accusation. Not only should they not have attended the meeting, but they should make certain that Perry never gets their vote.
No one accused anyone here of anything. A meeting was being held. That meeting was open to all citizens of the United States, according to the wishes of the organizer or host. So people were asked to prove their citizenship if they wanted to attend the meeting. There is no violation of any right or freedom here. (I'll not argue that it wasn't a pointless political ploy. Anyone who thinks it was anything else is delusional.) But this wasn't about guilt or innocence. It was ostensibly about wanting to speak to US citizens only, and asking people to prove they are. This is no different than going to a beach where residents of the town pay a reduced fee for parking, and people wanting to pay the reduced parking fee being asked to prove residence. Or senior citizens getting a discounted ticket price at the museum, and being asked to provide proof of age.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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No one accused anyone here of anything. A meeting was being held. That meeting was open to all citizens of the United States, according to the wishes of the organizer or host. So people were asked to prove their citizenship if they wanted to attend the meeting. There is no violation of any right or freedom here. (I'll not argue that it wasn't a pointless political ploy. Anyone who thinks it was anything else is delusional.) But this wasn't about guilt or innocence. It was ostensibly about wanting to speak to US citizens only, and asking people to prove they are. This is no different than going to a beach where residents of the town pay a reduced fee for parking, and people wanting to pay the reduced parking fee being asked to prove residence. Or senior citizens getting a discounted ticket price at the museum, and being asked to provide proof of age.
By asking they are making the accusation. It is no different than asking someone to prove they are not a murderer, since no murderers are invited to the meeting. The only difference is the severity of the crime they are being accused of committing.

Any US citizen should be extremely offended at the implication that they are criminals unless they can prove otherwise. That alone should cost Perry the election.
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