Congressman Paul's most extraordinary trait is his consistancy ... (unemployed, voters, Republican)
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Let's take Germany. France, UK and even the Canadians are still present there. The Russians left just a couple of years ago because they ran out of money.
Having a military base in an allied country is not occupying at all. You mentioned France. People in France may we strange but they were waiting for the US to. one help in WW2 and so did most countries. They were thankful when someone came to liberate them from the Nazi occupancy.
You are trying to use Facts and Logic with those that do not want to hear it, there are none so blind as those that refuse to see. But good post anyway
Let's take Germany. France, UK and even the Canadians are still present there. The Russians left just a couple of years ago because they ran out of money.
Having a military base in an allied country is not occupying at all. You mentioned France. People in France may we strange but they were waiting for the US to. one help in WW2 and so did most countries. They were thankful when someone came to liberate them from the Nazi occupancy.
Yes, but now we take off one of the most expensive responsibilities of a nation from these countries, and then they can no longer afford their socialized programs and other goodies, at the cost of the American taxpayers. Of course, some nations do appreciate our occupancy, but it hurts the US. Not all cases for occupancy are the same. Some are welcome, some are not, and each case has it's pro's and cons. Not one of the cases bears a better cost:benefit for us, nor does it make the US more secure at all.
Let's take Germany. France, UK and even the Canadians are still present there. The Russians left just a couple of years ago because they ran out of money.
That makes sense. Nothing to do with protecting our borders. Your reason is because others are doing so why not us.
Why do you think Russia ran out of money? Couldn't be because they were expanding their empire and couldn't fund it, right?
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Originally Posted by TCAS007
Having a military base in an allied country is not occupying at all. You mentioned France. People in France may we strange but they were waiting for the US to. one help in WW2 and so did most countries. They were thankful when someone came to liberate them from the Nazi occupancy.
Why are we in France now? To stop Germany from invading again?
You are trying to use Facts and Logic with those that do not want to hear it, there are none so blind as those that refuse to see. But good post anyway
Refuse to see what exactly? That almost 60 years of illegally occupying the Middle East hasn't done much except to incite hatred for America and make us less safe?
Facts and logic are lacking on your policies just as much as freedom and liberty are lacking. Society does not advance through force and coercion.
Why are in France now? To stop Germany from invading again?
Jeeeez, some just love twisting the facts here, unfortunately for some, the truth is out there for people to find and pass on.
Follow the link below folks to where we are and where we are not, FYI France is not one of them. I would also remind the readers that this a list of actual bases, not some made up listing which includes Embassys which have a handful of troops to guard them and our representaives. List of United States military bases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why are in France now? To stop Germany from invading again?
Jeeeez, some just love twisting the facts here, unfortunately for some, the truth is out there for people to find and pass on.
Follow the link below folks to where we are and where we are not, FYI France is not one of them. I would also remind the readers that this a list of actual bases, not some made up listing which includes Embassys which have a handful of troops to guard them and our representaives. List of United States military bases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is a better source that links to official government resources listing all of our forces internationally.
"We're in 130 countries. We have 900 bases around the world." Per Paul
We tallied up all the countries with at least one member of the U.S. military, excluding those with personnel deemed to be "afloat." We found U.S. military personnel on the ground in a whopping 148 countries -- even more than Paul had said. (There are varying standards for what constitutes a "country," so that may explain the divergence from Paul’s number.)
However, we should add a caveat. In 56 of these 148 countries, the U.S. has less than 10 active-duty personnel present. These include such obscure locales as Mongolia, Nepal, Gabon, Togo and Suriname.
By contrast, the U.S. has disclosed only 13 countries outside the United States and its possessions that are host to more than 1,000 personnel. They are: Belgium, Germany, Italy, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Japan, Bahrain, Djibouti, South Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait.
"According to this report, the U.S. has 662 overseas bases in 38 foreign countries,"
Those are some of the facts brought up by your link, thanks by the way, and thanks for proving my point that the wild claims posted on this board as to the numbers of bases and personnel deployed are BOGUS.
Those are some of the facts brought up by your link, thanks by the way, and thanks for proving my point that the wild claims posted on this board as to the numbers of bases and personnel deployed are BOGUS.
I have been to some of the bases not counted by that reference. They are sometimes very small(like buildings that hold 500 troops), and often a part of a co-op with other military forces, but they should still be counted.
Ron Paul is completely accurate with his assessment.
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