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Old 12-12-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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I'd have a lot more respect for Paul if he didnt have to lie about his opponents like that video clip.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:12 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I'd have a lot more respect for Paul if he didnt have to lie about his opponents like that video clip.



Which part is the lie?
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:23 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Dr. Paul can save America.

Folks, I 'thought' I was a lefty lib (mainly based on my social views) but this man has sold me so hard core on Libertarianism.

Liberty is the only way to bring different types of people together and unite our country.

I love that he's basically won all of his opponents over. At the very least, he's educating our nation!!

"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."

― Thomas Jefferson
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:26 PM
 
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Which part is the lie?
He didnt pay $300K for lying, he paid $300K for investigative costs
His 84 ethics violations were for the most part, thrown out as "unfounded"
47 seconds claims he made $100M dollars, a lie.
Newt didnt get $1.4M from Freddie Mac, a company he owned did, not even close to the same,
Newt wasnt a lobbiest
And his net worth 20 years after leaving office is meaningless and neither is the amount of money he makes per speach.

Paul, a man I vastly respect for his positions, loses my respect for his misrepresentation of his opponents.. Yes, all candidates do it, but I expect better from the Paul campaign than to lie and mislead.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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He didnt pay $300K for lying, he paid $300K for investigative costs
His 84 ethics violations were for the most part, thrown out as "unfounded"
47 seconds claims he made $100M dollars, a lie.
Newt didnt get $1.4M from Freddie Mac, a company he owned did, not even close to the same,
Newt wasnt a lobbiest
And his net worth 20 years after leaving office is meaningless and neither is the amount of money he makes per speach.
Again, where is the lie? Everything that was in that clip came from a verified source. He didn't say that Newt had 84 Ethics violations, the source correctly said 84 ethics charges. People are smart enough to know the difference. He did get the Freddie Mac money, what he did with it and how it was distributed in his company should be put under the microscope, but this is an ad, not a 30 minute infomercial. Newt did lobbyist work, there is no ifs and or buts about it(unless you don't know what a lobbyist is.)

This ad is pretty darn accurate, and it uses Newts own words and highlights from reporters. Not a single bit of it is misleading or a lie that came from Ron Paul's mouth. Not a second. All of it is a straight recap of events.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:50 PM
 
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Again, where is the lie? Everything that was in that clip came from a verified source. He didn't say that Newt had 84 Ethics violations, the source correctly said 84 ethics charges. People are smart enough to know the difference. He did get the Freddie Mac money, what he did with it and how it was distributed in his company should be put under the microscope, but this is an ad, not a 30 minute infomercial. Newt did lobbyist work, there is no ifs and or buts about it(unless you don't know what a lobbyist is.)

This ad is pretty darn accurate, and it uses Newts own words and highlights from reporters. Not a single bit of it is misleading or a lie that came from Ron Paul's mouth. Not a second. All of it is a straight recap of events.
"Having to pay $300,000 for LYING".. THATS A LIE.. The ethics violationgs were THROWN OUT as UNFOUNDED, and he paid $300,000 to cover the cost of the investigation, of which the IRS cleared Newt of any wrong doing.

He did NOT get Freddie Mac money, his company did, which consisted of 30+ employees, and even if he did, so what? His company was hired to do a job, they did the job. The fact that its not a 30 minute infomertial doesnt excuse them for outright LYING.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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"Having to pay $300,000 for LYING".. THATS A LIE.. The ethics violationgs were THROWN OUT as UNFOUNDED, and he paid $300,000 to cover the cost of the investigation, and the IRS cleared Newt of any wrong doing.

He did NOT get Freddie Mac money, his company did, which consisted of 30+ employees, and even if he did, so what? His company was hired to do a job, they did the job. Thae fact that its not a 30 minute informertial doesnt excuse them for outright LYING.
You're arguing semantics in what is arguably little other than an attempt to discredit the Paul campaign in favor of a candidate endorsed by mainstream Republicans. Gingrich would have to seriously improve his ethics and embrace of actual conservative principles to rise to the level of pond scum.
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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"Having to pay $300,000 for LYING".. THATS A LIE.. The ethics violationgs were THROWN OUT as UNFOUNDED, and he paid $300,000 to cover the cost of the investigation, of which the IRS cleared Newt of any wrong doing.

He did NOT get Freddie Mac money, his company did, which consisted of 30+ employees, and even if he did, so what? His company was hired to do a job, they did the job. Thae fact that its not a 30 minute informertial doesnt excuse them for outright LYING.
Again, you're missing the point. Nixon was pardoned for political reasons, Newt was too, in a sense. No part of the ad was a lie. Not a single part, and your attempts at damage control are weaksauce. If he wasn't guilty, why spend 300k? Hmmm If he(yes, his company still = Newt) took money from Freddie Mac, then he took the money from a very corrupt organization. He made that choice. If there is nothing wrong with him taking the money, then why do you care so much that it is pointed out?
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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You're arguing semantics in what is arguably little other than an attempt to discredit the Paul campaign in favor of a candidate endorsed by mainstream Republicans. Gingrich would have to seriously improve his ethics and embrace of actual conservative principles to rise to the level of pond scum.
No, its not semantics at all.

Do you appreciate the irony in the Paul campaign lying in their claim that Newt lied? I guess he thinks its ok for Paul to lie, but not other candidates.
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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No, its not semantics at all.

Do you appreciate the irony in the Paul campaign lying in their claim that Newt lied? I guess he thinks its ok for Paul to lie, but not other candidates.

Wait, are you saying Newt isn't a liar?
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