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Old 12-15-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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Awesome video explaining Ron Paul's stance on Israel.


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Old 12-15-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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The trouble isn't so much that as much as Ron Paul reputedly having ties to the John Birch Society.

That's not all a bad thing of course. The John Birch Society is for smaller government, less regulation, reducing spending absolutely everywhere and for less government meddling across the board. They're pretty much obsessed with getting rid of the Federal Reserve.

The problem is that the John Birch Society has a very conspiracy theory oriented history. According to the society's founder Robert Welch, "Both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'"

Welch saw collectivism as the biggest threat to Western Civilization, and liberals as "secret communist traitors" who provided cover for the gradual process of collectivism, with the ultimate goal of replacing the nations of western civilization with a one-world socialist government.

The New World Order conspiracy theory is where anti-Semitic suspicions arise about the JBS. Inevitably, they would list names of who was on this secret council of ultra-wealthy bankers that were supposedly controlling the world. The wealthiest Jews in the world were always just happened show up on that list and usually were the majority. It follows that somebody believing that a bunch of super-rich Jews are secretly conspiring to take over the world, and have already mostly succeeded, then one might suspect that you hate Jews.

So the question is, how much is Ron Paul a part of the John Birch Society??
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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Ben Swann is the man

Potential Press Secretary?
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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The trouble isn't so much that as much as Ron Paul reputedly having ties to the John Birch Society.

That's not all a bad thing of course. The John Birch Society is for smaller government, less regulation, reducing spending absolutely everywhere and for less government meddling across the board. They're pretty much obsessed with getting rid of the Federal Reserve.

The problem is that the John Birch Society has a very conspiracy theory oriented history. According to the society's founder Robert Welch, "Both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'"

Welch saw collectivism as the biggest threat to Western Civilization, and liberals as "secret communist traitors" who provided cover for the gradual process of collectivism, with the ultimate goal of replacing the nations of western civilization with a one-world socialist government.

The New World Order conspiracy theory is where anti-Semitic suspicions arise about the JBS. Inevitably, they would list names of who was on this secret council of ultra-wealthy bankers that were supposedly controlling the world. The wealthiest Jews in the world were always just happened show up on that list and usually were the majority. It follows that somebody believing that a bunch of super-rich Jews are secretly conspiring to take over the world, and have already mostly succeeded, then one might suspect that you hate Jews.

So the question is, how much is Ron Paul a part of the John Birch Society??
Hope this (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8153-concerned-about-dem-support-for-ron-paul-huffpo-ties-birch-society-to-paul - broken link) helps.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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Hope this (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8153-concerned-about-dem-support-for-ron-paul-huffpo-ties-birch-society-to-paul - broken link) helps.
It does help, thank you. There are a lot of movements that have somewhat wacky beginnings but outgrew their oddities over time. The Democratic Party spent about 100 years defending the rights of the racist South to "put blacks in their place" and keep them there. Clearly, much has changed since then.

The Southern Baptist Church is a break off from the mainline Baptist Church, and it's primary purpose for separating was to create a religion that would zealously protect the rights of slave owners to own slaves. Again, much has changed since then.

It actually would make perfect sense for Ron Paul to have friendly relations with the JBS while not actually being a member. Most of what they stand for just makes good logical sense -- right up to the point where you run into Robert Welch's conspiracy theories and all the nuttiness that involves. Take the good points they have, throw the nonsensical stuff in the garbage and I have no problem with that.
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