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Old 12-16-2011, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Anybody here remember old Ross Perot? Yep, the old boy that cinched re-election for Bill Clinton by running his third party candidacy in 1996. Old fool drew enough votes from Bob Dole to elect Clinton. Now we have another getting ready to do the same thing. He can't get the nomination and after promising he wouldn't make Obama automatic a month ago is keeping his options open for just such a trick.

Ok, the man is Ron Paul and after hearing him talk about foreign policy the other night I fear him as president but more as the man to keep whoever gets the nomination from the Republicans from winning, automatically. I heard him say today that he is keeping things open just in case. Will he actually make Obama the newly elected President? How much money will the Dems pay him to do such a thing.

I remember when candidates said we are enemies until the nomination is over and then we draw together. That is what I want from Paul now. He may force me to vote for Romney, who I don't want either, in an attempt to elect him.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Back and Forth FRANCE
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Anybody here remember old Ross Perot? Yep, the old boy that cinched re-election for Bill Clinton by running his third party candidacy in 1996. Old fool drew enough votes from Bob Dole to elect Clinton. Now we have another getting ready to do the same thing. He can't get the nomination and after promising he wouldn't make Obama automatic a month ago is keeping his options open for just such a trick.

Ok, the man is Ron Paul and after hearing him talk about foreign policy the other night I fear him as president but more as the man to keep whoever gets the nomination from the Republicans from winning, automatically. I heard him say today that he is keeping things open just in case. Will he actually make Obama the newly elected President? How much money will the Dems pay him to do such a thing.

I remember when candidates said we are enemies until the nomination is over and then we draw together. That is what I want from Paul now. He may force me to vote for Romney, who I don't want either, in an attempt to elect him.

I'm glad people are waking up to this gimmick..
It's between Romney, or Gingrich, (Personally I still like Perry but eh..)
After last night I can only pray this guy gets eliminated soon.

My Motto is "anybody but Paul or Obama."..
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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Anybody here remember old Ross Perot? Yep, the old boy that cinched re-election for Bill Clinton by running his third party candidacy in 1996.
Old fool drew enough votes from Bob Dole to elect Clinton.
Clinton was in dead last until Perot dropped out then Clinton shot to the top. Perot was taking Clinton's votes, not Bush. Clinton also stomped Dole in 96, If Perot didn't run, Clinton likely would have beat him by even more.

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Now we have another getting ready to do the same thing. He can't get the nomination and after promising he wouldn't make Obama automatic a month ago is keeping his options open for just such a trick.

Ok, the man is Ron Paul and after hearing him talk about foreign policy the other night I fear him as president but more as the man to keep whoever gets the nomination from the Republicans from winning, automatically. I heard him say today that he is keeping things open just in case. Will he actually make Obama the newly elected President? How much money will the Dems pay him to do such a thing.

I remember when candidates said we are enemies until the nomination is over and then we draw together. That is what I want from Paul now. He may force me to vote for Romney, who I don't want either, in an attempt to elect him.
The thing to keep in mind is Paul's core base are very liberal college age people. Paul is going to take a pretty substantial part of Obama's liberal vote if he runs 3rd party. Also most people that at least i've observed who do support Paul are going to support him and only him, and wouldn't vote for the GOP anyhow.
The thing is to remember, historically every time in history 3rd parties have taken dem votes (nader anyone?) I can't think of any time they didn't.
If Paul runs 3rd party it's going to be trouble for Obama, not the GOP.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This is a problem why? I am all in favor of Paul running as an independent and doing just that
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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This is pretty much a win win for me. I favor Paul, but Obama is my second choice. I'm having trouble seeing the problem here.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Anybody here remember old Ross Perot? Yep, the old boy that cinched re-election for Bill Clinton by running his third party candidacy in 1996. Old fool drew enough votes from Bob Dole to elect Clinton. Now we have another getting ready to do the same thing. He can't get the nomination and after promising he wouldn't make Obama automatic a month ago is keeping his options open for just such a trick.

Ok, the man is Ron Paul and after hearing him talk about foreign policy the other night I fear him as president but more as the man to keep whoever gets the nomination from the Republicans from winning, automatically. I heard him say today that he is keeping things open just in case. Will he actually make Obama the newly elected President? How much money will the Dems pay him to do such a thing.

I remember when candidates said we are enemies until the nomination is over and then we draw together. That is what I want from Paul now. He may force me to vote for Romney, who I don't want either, in an attempt to elect him.
We may not agree on much, and we sure do not agree with who we want to win in 2012, but you right on this one. The Paul fans will not listen to ya, I assume you are seeing it also, to me it makes them a liability to the GOP not an asset.
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:41 PM
 
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Wasn't Ross Perot right though? His agenda was the best for America in the 90s. If it weren't for him, Clnton and Gingrich wouldn't have balanced the budget. I wish NAFTA would have never been passed, but you can't have everything.

Let's say Paul does go third party and gets 20 percent of the vote. Don't you think that's going to have an impact on the platform of both candidates? Shouldn't those who really are passionate about Paul's positions champion him and push for real change?
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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1992 more than 1996.

But, anyway, I think the Ron Paul supporters are really blind when it comes to this.

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Old 12-16-2011, 09:47 PM
 
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1992, not 1996.

But, honestly, I think the Ron Paul supporters are really blind when it comes to this.
If you are a Ron Paul supporter, you see little difference between Romney and Obama. Why should you throw away your vote on Romney when you really want to stand up and be counted as someone who supports Paul's platform?
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Old 12-16-2011, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If you are a Ron Paul supporter, you see little difference between Romney and Obama. Why should you throw away your vote on Romney when you really want to stand up and be counted as someone who supports Paul's platform?
Because most Ron Paul supporters want change. They certainly won't get it with four more years of Obama and I think they'd prefer Romney (who wouldn't be as bad as W) to Obama.

Voting for Ron Paul would be "throwing away" a vote, voting for Romney would not be.

The problem with the extreme Ron Paul supporters is that they live in Fantasy Land/Dream World. Their ideas for change are too grandiose and radical and they have this "my way or the highway" attitude. That doesn't get you very far in Reality Land/Real World.
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