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Old 12-19-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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The federal government doesn't have the authority to regulate drugs of any kind. That was the reason that they had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to make alcohol illegal. Only later, the federal government decided that they didn't to follow the Constitution anymore and could regulate anything they felt like. Returning the power to the states does not mean that all drugs would be made legal. Most states would still prohibit harmful substances and the few that do allow marijuana to be legal would have limits on its use in the same way that alcohol use is restricted.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Out West
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You are right on the money, here More people are hooked on antidepressants & other mind altering prescriptions than ever
And that's the legal stuff!
You are both right. In a past job, (that I've spoken of before), yes, quite a few of them smoked pot. In fact, I think I may have been one of the few...it may be possible I was the only one who did NOT smoke pot come to think of it...

Anyway, in addition to pot, a handful of them were HOOKED on pills. And these were the "legal" pills that one can get a prescription for.

In fact, one lady who worked there was able to go to a doctor and get them whatever they wanted at any time for a bargain price. It was Miami...of course it's corrupt. The point is, when the idiots were high, they just laughed a lot and were lazy about work but when the ones who did pills were on their drug, they were combative and/or totally OUT of it.

I don't like any drugs being abused but I feared those who took the pills more than I feared anyone who had smoked a joint. (By fear I mean, the ones who took the pills were the ones who got in their cars and drove around HIGH as a KITE! The ones who smoked pot did a few tokes during work, a few tokes after work, hung around for a bit and then went home. OR, they would then decide to get drunk and then get on the road but none of them ever smoked a joint and then got on the road...very strange.)

Yes, people can hurt other people by being high on marijuana, (I know this from personal experience), I'm saying from my experience of four years around a bunch of drug addled losers, the difference in their demeanor when they were high on pot was WAY calmer than when they were high on prescription drugs and drunk as skunks.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:47 PM
 
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom


I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")


I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789



They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.
-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814



If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816

My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816


You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819


As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819


Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820



To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820


Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.
-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.



I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823



It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825


May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)



RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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Exactly!! If the vile, dispicable, doper and advocate, atheist Maher is supportive of Paul...that speaks Volumes. 'Birds of the same 'dirty feather' flock together.'

Home run point you made.. The other candidates with at least some integrity....would not accept people like Maher's endorsement. Heard more than one turn down the support of known 'trashy celebs, etc. - But not Paul...he'll accept any high profile endorsement....regardless of the lack of character of the the endorser. That tells me about the utter lack of character of candidate Paul.
Your way keeps the country divided, and will continue to contribute to its demise.

Maher is a shock jock, like Howard Stern, who can take him serious.

Paul see's that you have to go into the stupid arena to inform the uniformed.

The other Conservative candidates have no credibility in regards to understanding why we as a country keep pushing our agenda of greed and resource theft at the tip of a Cruise missile and flying limbs.

Paul knows why our young men and women keep dying for the few Oligarchs of the world. The others keep the status quo, and will continue to destroy the American ideals.

Every conservative but Paul, would have us under Marshall Law, and a Police State without a blink.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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Your way keeps the country divided, and will continue to contribute to its demise.

Maher is a shock jock, like Howard Stern, who can take him serious.

Paul see's that you have to go into the stupid arena to inform the uniformed.

The other Conservative candidates have no credibility in regards to understanding why we as a country keep pushing our agenda of greed and resource theft at the tip of a Cruise missile and flying limbs.

Paul knows why our young men and women keep dying for the few Oligarchs of the world. The others keep the status quo, and will continue to destroy the American ideals.

Every conservative but Paul, would have us under Marshall Law, and a Police State without a blink.

Wrong. Paul would weaken the U.S. National Defense so much...it would be beyond DANGEROUS. Paul is delusional that terrorists can be reasoned with.

LUDICROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 12-21-2011, 04:15 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Wrong. Paul would weaken the U.S. National Defense so much...it would be beyond DANGEROUS. Paul is delusional that terrorists can be reasoned with.

LUDICROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For some odd reason, you have offense mixed up with defense.


Defense spending is not the same as Military spending.

Our offensive efforts, are over and above what we do for defense.
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:22 PM
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hmmm....glad I watched that. Paul finally came right out and said he's for marijuana being legal. Said medical marijuana is good. No mystery why the 'left coast' wacko's that hang out in Leno's audience....cheered and yelled for Paul. They want to go smoke their weed, needle up, etc.

Thank Goodness the folks whos brain's have not been 'fried' on dope...and dumbed down brainwashing by the 'libs' and Libertarians...should be enough votes to stop that 'kook' from being elected POTUSA, and ruining America beyond repair.
You are not a big fan of freedom are you? Please explain why forcing people to buy health insurance is an example of tryannical big government, but telling adults what they can and cannot put into their own bodies is a small government, pro freedom position?
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:26 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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You are not a big fan of freedom are you? Please explain why forcing people to buy health insurance is an example of tryannical big government, but telling adults what they can and cannot put into their own bodies is a small government, pro freedom position?

Don't expect an intelligence, factual response because you are going to be disappointed.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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You are both right. In a past job, (that I've spoken of before), yes, quite a few of them smoked pot. In fact, I think I may have been one of the few...it may be possible I was the only one who did NOT smoke pot come to think of it...

Anyway, in addition to pot, a handful of them were HOOKED on pills. And these were the "legal" pills that one can get a prescription for.

In fact, one lady who worked there was able to go to a doctor and get them whatever they wanted at any time for a bargain price. It was Miami...of course it's corrupt. The point is, when the idiots were high, they just laughed a lot and were lazy about work but when the ones who did pills were on their drug, they were combative and/or totally OUT of it.

I don't like any drugs being abused but I feared those who took the pills more than I feared anyone who had smoked a joint. (By fear I mean, the ones who took the pills were the ones who got in their cars and drove around HIGH as a KITE! The ones who smoked pot did a few tokes during work, a few tokes after work, hung around for a bit and then went home. OR, they would then decide to get drunk and then get on the road but none of them ever smoked a joint and then got on the road...very strange.)

Yes, people can hurt other people by being high on marijuana, (I know this from personal experience), I'm saying from my experience of four years around a bunch of drug addled losers, the difference in their demeanor when they were high on pot was WAY calmer than when they were high on prescription drugs and drunk as skunks.
I understand your points here. My experience has been similar with people who smoked pot & people who are hooked on prescription drugs. The legal stuff, to me is much more dangerous, though. Once a person is on antidepressants what they do not realize is that it changes their brain cells. They can't get off of them so easily. Some people become addicted to that stuff. And so I think that the pharmaceutical companies do not want Ron Paul in there. He knows more than any other candidate how corrupt those multi-billion dollar companies are.
Ron Paul cannot be bought


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