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All of your argument is about your disagreement with socialist liberals, but the Constitution doesn't prohibit such belief, does it? So which one is more principle
stand, Upheld Constitution ? Or against a particular belief you thougt is wrong?
Liberty means you can have your freedom of thought, but you have to respect others liberty, especially their freedom of thought, not just YOUR own liberty.
Actually to vote Ron Paul doesn't mean to support all of his proposals. If you have to vote a candidate with all same proposals as yours, then you can only vote yourself.
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In my post I am referring to socialist liberals of which there is no economic liberty. Liberty to speak and disagree is part of the constitution, but to ignore and pretend Ron Paul votes dont count is the point of the post.
I want liberty for all but if you going to use the force of government to take from others to give to others that is not liberty! Those who use government to steal, write laws that protect some businesses is against the free market and choices americans should be having in their lives.
Individual liberty should come before any government program, or the federal government setting morals and what products who consume. Government should only use force against those who USE force against others. Government is only created to protect your liberty not steal your economic freedoms, individual choices and protect only certain groups of people. Big business should not be in washington, and the welfare state should be replaced by the freedoms of INDIVIDUALS to willingly help those who need help. Government is not the provider of anything and when it sets out to go just that it becomes a monster and destorys freedoms.
All of your argument is about your disagreement with socialist liberals, but the Constitution doesn't prohibit such belief, does it? So which one is more principle
stand, Upheld Constitution ? Or against a particular belief you thougt is wrong?
Liberty means you can have your freedom of thought, but you have to respect others liberty, especially their freedom of thought, not just YOUR own liberty.
Actually to vote Ron Paul doesn't mean to support all of his proposals. If you have to vote a candidate with all same proposals as yours, then you can only vote yourself.
The constitution doesnt say anything about taking money from people and giving it to others. It doesnt say anything about running healthcare. Congress does things its not suppose to do and rights laws that go against the individuals rights. Either way the founding constitution didnt have the income tax, progressives socialists added that along with many other things the government has ignored when it comes to freedom. You can think socialist ideas all you want but when you use force of government to promote socialist ideas which is basically tryanny with the force of government guns dont expect me to sit quiet. Anyway Ron Paul is going to give people a new voice who want freedom and tried of this socialist, broke country and restore some liberty and power back to people not letting the government run EVERYTHING
To discuss the detail is off YOUR topic here. You are entitled to disagree what you conceived as errors, as others can dispute your misconception. The point here is, as your postname suggests, you may want to keep your principle, instead of name calling other possible Ron Paul supporter, this doesn't make sense if you really stick with your pro Constitution stand.
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Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll
The constitution doesnt say anything about taking money from people and giving it to others. It doesnt say anything about running healthcare. Congress does things its not suppose to do and rights laws that go against the individuals rights. Either way the founding constitution didnt have the income tax, progressives socialists added that along with many other things the government has ignored when it comes to freedom. You can think socialist ideas all you want but when you use force of government to promote socialist ideas which is basically tryanny with the force of government guns dont expect me to sit quiet. Anyway Ron Paul is going to give people a new voice who want freedom and tried of this socialist, broke country and restore some liberty and power back to people not letting the government run EVERYTHING
I encourage every supporter of Ron Paul to repost the OP every chance they get, on every message board they frequent. The winds of change are filling the air, my family and friends, who consist of liberal Obamazombies, are even jumping on the Ron Paul train. Like the OP said, who can argue with liberty and freedom? Keep spreading the word people!
I encourage every supporter of Ron Paul to repost the OP every chance they get, on every message board they frequent. The winds of change are filling the air, my family and friends, who consist of liberal Obamazombies, are even jumping on the Ron Paul train. Like the OP said, who can argue with liberty and freedom? Keep spreading the word people!
first of all: your liberal family members and freinds jumping onto the Paul bandwagon tells something and it isn't necessarily good. How can they back Paul when Paul is supposed to be such a strong conservative begiining witht the Tea Party and also be a strong constitutionalist. That makes absolutely no sense and second: whether we want to admit it or not, none of us, on C-D are going to change anyone's minds just by posting this stuff. We mostly just come here to debate and vent. We have already pretty much decided who we will or will not support. Certainly no one on here will switch to Paul from someone else, or lets put it this way, not many will.
Ron Paul is a threat to those who have tried so hard to mold our minds to the never ending ideas of socialism, facism and being content with corruption.
Ron Paul winning throws truth in the face of lies, cheating, bailouts, the political system and puts talking heads who said time and time again that Ron Paul is nothing to worry about. Ron Paul will expose the media, expose the corruption in washington and bring about the end to special interests and big business buying the president. Can you image the state of the union address with someone so honest. Can you image his speeches from the oval office. Liberals (Progressive big government socialist) dont want a message of freedom to ever be heard and neocon republicans have been told for so long that liberty now means wars they just can't stop themselves. Both welfare and warfare has destroyed this nation and if Ron Paul wins it will shake their power over resources, and voters giving them real choices of freedom and our constitution.
Remember this if your voting for Paul you are a patriot. Be proud to take a stand for something worth fighting for. You want freedom, you are standing for the princples of liberty. You are standing with a man who shares those values and no army, no media and no government will stand in our way. Our time has come and though its sad that in America defending princples and liberty are now considered fringe, or even censored you know America truly needs to change. Already they are preparing to shrug of our win in IOWA already they waste every possible media outlet to tell the people our win doesn't matter. In AMERICA free choices, FREE WILL and liberty are meet with lies, and your vote doesnt matter. Like millions of VOTES never happened they can not acknowledge your vote and if it was up to them they will make sure its not even counted.
IS THIS AMERICA?!? Is this what men and women of this great country have died for and died for our freedoms for. With all this talk of OBAMA changing history nothing really changed but then again I never voted for false verisons of American freedoms. If you want to change history and expose washington and what this country has become just vote for freedom and vote for PAUL.
"The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people. " - Ron Paul
first of all: your liberal family members and freinds jumping onto the Paul bandwagon tells something and it isn't necessarily good. How can they back Paul when Paul is supposed to be such a strong conservative begiining witht the Tea Party and also be a strong constitutionalist. That makes absolutely no sense and second: whether we want to admit it or not, none of us, on C-D are going to change anyone's minds just by posting this stuff. We mostly just come here to debate and vent. We have already pretty much decided who we will or will not support. Certainly no one on here will switch to Paul from someone else, or lets put it this way, not many will.
Nita
I doubt you know anything about Ron Paul's platform. He is a fiscal conservative, but a social libertarian. The fact that my family saw through the lies perpetuated by the media and began to actually research candidates (which led them to Paul) says something that IS necessarily good.
Everyone who supports Ron Paul, shout it from the rooftops! Donate a small amount of money to his campaign! He will accept a salary of less than $40,000 if he becomes president, a man of virtue and change! Keep up the momentum guys, don't let the usual suspects and the brain dead Obamazombies and Neocons discourage you. This is the time for a true revolution in this country. Let their anger and frustration fuel the fire, the powers that be, bankers, and the leeches of society are lamenting his meteoric rise.
first of all: your liberal family members and freinds jumping onto the Paul bandwagon tells something and it isn't necessarily good. How can they back Paul when Paul is supposed to be such a strong conservative begiining witht the Tea Party and also be a strong constitutionalist. That makes absolutely no sense and second: whether we want to admit it or not, none of us, on C-D are going to change anyone's minds just by posting this stuff. We mostly just come here to debate and vent. We have already pretty much decided who we will or will not support. Certainly no one on here will switch to Paul from someone else, or lets put it this way, not many will.
Nita
Last I heard, you had not decided who to support. Do you have something you'd like to share with us now, or are you still waiting to see which way the wind blows?
first of all: your liberal family members and freinds jumping onto the Paul bandwagon tells something and it isn't necessarily good.
That should scare you if you do not want Dr. Paul because it shows how popular his ideas are to thinking people who are not hampered by a false sense of loyalty to any political party.
Dr. Paul goes far beyond party lines, because he represent real American values and sensibilities that most politicians seem to have forgotten about, and in a time when it seems that nearly everyone in Washington is hell bent on selling we the people of this nation out.
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How can they back Paul when Paul is supposed to be such a strong conservative begiining witht the Tea Party and also be a strong constitutionalist. That makes absolutely no sense
Why does being a constitutionalists make no sense to you as a legitimate democratic position? Is it that you believe and admit that BIG government is contrary to the constitution?
Isn't it obvious that the fed. Government, like some giant parasite that has overgrown its host and thus jeopardizes it own existence, is not TOO BIG TO FAIL if we allow them to continue to do what they are doing up there in Washington?
It makes perfect sense, to people who have any sense.
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and second: whether we want to admit it or not, none of us, on C-D are going to change anyone's minds just by posting this stuff.
Nita
Here's a couple of posts from some new members that prove you are wrong about that. You obviously do not realize or appreciate how powerful the internet is as a tool for change, and that is another thing that many people still haven't figured out that Dr. Paul has ...
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Like a lot of people, I became a Ron Paul supporter because of CD, not the other way around. I heard of him before, but didn't really know him from Adam. There were/are plenty of people for and against him, but the difference was, the overwhelming theme of people supporting him was "Don't take my word for it. Go research him for yourself.". I did research him and found his platform the most sensible by far - not even close.
From the Nay-sayers I don't get "Research him", I get "Take my word for it, he's nuts." or "Don't waste your vote on someone that can't win." (lesser of two evils argument).
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yes because my support of ron paul directly correlates with my register date on cd
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