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Old 12-23-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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This isn't correct. Paul would easily beat Obama.

Paul would get
Republicans + Many Democrats + Libertarians + Conservatives = Win
I agree...I'm not sure it would be an easy victory,but I would put my money on Paul at even money.
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:42 AM
 
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Ron Paul is polling very well, is very likely to win Iowa and New Hampshire and most polls show him as THE ONLY Republican candidate that could beat Obama in the general election.

It makes ZERO sense that Fox "News" is attacking him the way they are. Mainstream Media went from Ignore to Attack mode in a matter of days.
"very likely" ...

Paul may win Iowa. More likely than not, he won't, but he has a significant chance of doing so. Further, in open GOP nomination races in the modern primary/caucus era, the Iowa winner has gone on to win the nomination only 2 out of 5 times.

He has almost no chance of winning New Hampshire. His single best poll in New Hampshire so far had him 9% behind Romney -- the only time he's ever made the margin single digits. The four most recent polls out of New Hampshire, all released in the last 10 days, have Paul an aggregate 17% behind Romney.

And while polls show Romney occasionally beating Obama in head-to-head matchups, not a single poll has ever showed Paul beating Obama. Not one.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Paul vs. Obama

Your support for Paul would be more effective if you didn't make ridiculous, baseless claims.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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And while polls show Romney occasionally beating Obama in head-to-head matchups, not a single poll has ever showed Paul beating Obama. Not one.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Paul vs. Obama

Your support for Paul would be more effective if you didn't make ridiculous, baseless claims.

You are wrong.


"LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- In a new Harris Poll, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul beats President Obama 51 percent to 49 percent in a general election race."
Ron Paul Bests Obama*in Latest Poll - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ron-Paul-Bests-Obama-in-bw-3821734650.html - broken link)

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Old 12-23-2011, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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"very likely" ...

Paul may win Iowa. More likely than not, he won't, but he has a significant chance of doing so. Further, in open GOP nomination races in the modern primary/caucus era, the Iowa winner has gone on to win the nomination only 2 out of 5 times.

He has almost no chance of winning New Hampshire. His single best poll in New Hampshire so far had him 9% behind Romney -- the only time he's ever made the margin single digits. The four most recent polls out of New Hampshire, all released in the last 10 days, have Paul an aggregate 17% behind Romney.

And while polls show Romney occasionally beating Obama in head-to-head matchups, not a single poll has ever showed Paul beating Obama. Not one.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Paul vs. Obama

Your support for Paul would be more effective if you didn't make ridiculous, baseless claims.
So, the candidate who has the most dedicated supporters, the best organization and is in first place in Iowa with less than 2 weeks till the causus "more than likely won't win"? Whatever you say, Fox.

I know it will be an uphill battle in NH and the Iowa winner does not always go on to win the nomination but winning Iowa will force people to research Ron Paul (as well as the other candidates) and rethink their choice.

And it isnt like Paul has no shot in New Hampshire, the "live free or die" state. The polls I've seen show Romney at 35% in NH and Paul at 21%.

WOW! New Hampshire: Ron Paul 21% Pulls Ahead Of Gingrich 16%! | Ron Paul 2012 | Peace . Gold . Liberty (http://www.dailypaul.com/195763/wow-new-hampshire-repronpaul-21-pulls-ahead-of-gingrich-16 - broken link)
Ron Paul banks on Iowa to boost N.H. chances - BostonHerald.com
Ron Paul | Iowa Caucuses | New Hampshire Primary | The Daily Caller

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Old 12-23-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Gone
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I completely disagree.

One thing that Fox News caters to is the hard right. The hard right HATES the left. They loathe the liberals.

If it were to come down to St. Hope and Change and Paul, FoxNews would endorse Paul.

As someone mentioned above, FoxNews might hate Paul, but they hate Obama worse, as does their audience. If Fox News wants to lose the majority of their viewers, then they would endorse "The One" but they won't do that. They will endorse Paul because he is running on the Republican ticket and again, the hard right HATES the left.
MAYBE. I have doubts that they would back Paul he is not a Repub insider. My guess is they would back no one, but who knows. Lots of hate there (not you), funny thing, I doubt there is near as much coming from Libs and Moderates.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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Alright you guys. You have some homework to do.

Home for the holidays — Barack Obama
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:25 AM
 
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You are wrong.

"LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- In a new Harris Poll, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul beats President Obama 51 percent to 49 percent in a general election race."
Ron Paul Bests Obama*in Latest Poll - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ron-Paul-Bests-Obama-in-bw-3821734650.html - broken link)


Oh, OK -- one poll (not compiled @ the RealClearPolitics list -- guess they're part of the anti-Paul cabal, huh?) that's three months old showed Paul with a narrow lead ... woo-woo, Paul must be measuring the White House drapes!).

PS - what's up with a 51-49 poll? No undecideds whatsoever? Uh huh ... sure ...
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:30 AM
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Excuse my ignorance: I did not know that a major news network like Fox actually endorsed presidential candidates. Of course, I grew up in a time when you had three (3) networks, and they never, to my knowledge, 'endorsed' anyone.

How is it done? For instance, for 2008, I assume that Fox 'endorsed' Senator McCain? Did a person (Murdock, whoever) appear on the air at an appointed time and say "We, Fox News, endorse thee, Senator McCain"?

Any information would be appreciated.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Fox would not be that insane. Ron Paul will not be the annointed one unless they hack the machines. But I do agree Obama will win in 2012 because the disgruntled Paul supporters will be too smart to get off the couch and go vote against him. Just sayin.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Excuse my ignorance: I did not know that a major news network like Fox actually endorsed presidential candidates. Of course, I grew up in a time when you had three (3) networks, and they never, to my knowledge, 'endorsed' anyone.

How is it done? For instance, for 2008, I assume that Fox 'endorsed' Senator McCain? Did a person (Murdock, whoever) appear on the air at an appointed time and say "We, Fox News, endorse thee, Senator McCain"?

Any information would be appreciated.
I'm not sure if there is an actual "endorsement" per se but it is usually VERY clear, especially on Fox "News" who they want the viewer to vote for.
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