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Old 12-22-2011, 01:28 PM
 
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...if he's only won one election in his life?

This isn't about Mitt Romney or Ron Paul per se but what the media spoon feeds us that is taken as a given by the uninformed public. What is "Mitt Romney is Most Electable" based on? Certainly not a history of winning elections or even finishing second in Presidential elections. Do you think people respond to polls by saying Mitt Romney is the Most Electable based on what they know about him or because the media keeps telling them he's the Most Electable so they parrot it when responding to polls? Do they ever ask polled voters WHY they think he's The Most Electable?

On the other hand, you have the media saying Ron Pail is not electable? Regardless of what you think of him, based on what? He's won more elections than Mitt Romney. If you say they aren't National Elections, neither is Governor of Massachusetts.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:32 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Because Romney is a serial flip floper who works for the banks interests.

That is a requirement to be president nowadays.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Was Rick Perry electable?
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Default It's like this

Suppose you're assigned to go buy ice cream for everybody. They have rum raisin...pistachio...mint chocolate chip...and...vanilla.

What would you buy that most everyone would like?
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:55 PM
 
Location: California
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Actually, Obama is the most electable.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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...if he's only won one election in his life?

This isn't about Mitt Romney or Ron Paul per se but what the media spoon feeds us that is taken as a given by the uninformed public. What is "Mitt Romney is Most Electable" based on? Certainly not a history of winning elections or even finishing second in Presidential elections. Do you think people respond to polls by saying Mitt Romney is the Most Electable based on what they know about him or because the media keeps telling them he's the Most Electable so they parrot it when responding to polls? Do they ever ask polled voters WHY they think he's The Most Electable?

On the other hand, you have the media saying Ron Pail is not electable? Regardless of what you think of him, based on what? He's won more elections than Mitt Romney. If you say they aren't National Elections, neither is Governor of Massachusetts.
Because he's a card-board cut-out corporate tool who has the backing of billions of dollars in "Citizen's United" money.

The real suspense now is, How will the TP react as the GOP Party Machine shoves Romney up their butts?
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Yes it is based on polls: RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates

Love him or hate him, Romney is the only candidate that is within striking distance. He's stayed within striking distance for months now. He tends to move further out of striking distance when the rest of the GOP is going all out attacking him, but he still stays pretty close.

So either the polls are all lying (cue the conspiracy theorist rhetoric) or there's something else at work here. How could this "not Conservative enough" GOP candidate possibly be the man beat Barack Obama?

Answer: Because he's not as ultra-conservative and closed-minded as the rest of the GOP candidates.

Currently, American voters break down roughly like this: 30% Republican, 30% Democrat, 40% Independent. For the record, I'm one of those Independents. The same ol' "falls in line with the party line at all times" Republican candidate does not appeal to me -- and I"m a right-leaning Independent.

Best case scenario in my mind is to bring in a total game changer like Ron Paul. We seriously need to entirely rethink how the federal government does absolutely everything. Ron Paul could certainly give Obama a run for his money because he's nothing like the rest of the GOP field of candidates.

That failing, Mitt Romney is moderate enough to actually beat Obama in the election. He's conservative enough to end the insane "borrow-borrow-borrow spend-spend-spend" Obama economic disaster. (Huntsman would have been better to fill this role, but the GOP voters completely ignore him, so that's not going anywhere.) Mitt Romney is the most electable because he's more moderate and because he has the most natural charisma of the group.

It's pretty ridiculous that the guy with the best shot at unseating Obama gets trampled by the GOP just so they can get some other candidate -- who will get crushed in the general election by Obama -- to win the nomination.
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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Was Rick Perry electable?
Well, since you asked ... he was elected to the Texas House of Representatives 3 times. He won election to the Agriculture Commissioner 2 times. He won an election to a Lt Governor position (first Republican since Reconstruction) and in addition to finishing Bush's term as Governor, he was also elected Governor 3 times (three 4 year terms) so based on his history he's very electable. By my count he's won election 9 times but despite beating all of those Dems (and a few Republicans when he was a Democrat) in General Elections (and not counting all of the primaries) I don't hear the media saying he's Most Electable.

And again, this is not about Mitt Romney, Ron Paul or Rick Perry. It's about the media telling people who is electable and them parroting it in polls like it's gospel.
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Well, since you asked ... he was elected to the Texas House of Representatives 3 times. He won election to the Agriculture Commissioner 2 times. He won an election to a Lt Governor position (first Republican since Reconstruction) and in addition to finishing Bush's term as Governor, he was also elected Governor 3 times (three 4 year terms) so based on his history he's very electable. By my count he's won election 9 times but despite beating all of those Dems (and a few Republicans when he was a Democrat) in General Elections (and not counting all of the primaries) I don't hear the media saying he's Most Electable.

And again, this is not about Mitt Romney, Ron Paul or Rick Perry. It's about the media telling people who is electable and them parroting it in polls like it's gospel.
Given the lunacy a vast majority of Texas is... but what and where does he stand, directly against someone, who you believe is unelectable?
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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The original premise is a non-starter.

US House Representative John Dingell has won 27 elections in a row - using Laura C logic that means he's more qualified to be President than any of the people currently running for the Republican nomination.
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