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On the one hand, Newt is such a panty-chasing misogynist ultra-right wing whack job so full of hot air he could be a high altitude balloon, and I like to think people won't vote for such a douchebag.
But you make a good point OP: somehow this nation voted in a theocratic idiot who couldn't spell or speak worth half a damn who was obviously a puppet of larger forces that be.
But I think he proved a point: all you have to be is charismatic, have a good smile, say stuff in the most gosh-darned down to earth homely manner to be President.
... god how I wish I lived in Canada. The way the US was meant to be.
I've heard that the numbers of people at his 'events' have been dwindling. In some towns he has visited, the campaign has bussed in supporters, and the townspeople were not allowed to participat (this, reported by a resident of one of those towns).
Obama is a joke. He has no new ideas (unless FDR is still 'new'), and our economy has crumbled under his 'leadership'. But, of course, that is what he wanted.
I take it though, you aren't aware of what Obama has been taught all his life, and believed in. You've never heard of Cloward and Piven, have you?
You don't know that Obama was steeped in Marxism and communism all his life, and from his own admission, always sought out the radicals, the "Marxist professors" and the socialists, etc.
This man never did like America. He hates it. That's why he has made it his goal to destroy it.
Despite what you've "heard," polls reflect a different reality. As a resident of Illinois, I've been aware of President Obama since '97, when he first became an Illinois State Senator. Every newspaper in the state looked for dirt on him, especially after the GOP moved Alan Keyes into the state long enough for him to run against President Obama for the U.S. Senate. What I know is that his mentor here was the late Senator Paul Simon, a man consistently voted the most respected member of the Senate, by his colleagues. Had there been all of these alleged Marxist influences, it would have been uncovered by the Chicago Tribune or the GOP long before he made it through the primaries. The bare facts aren't as much fun as pipe dreams and the intimation that one knows more from reading crap than
seeing reality described by someone who's watched his entire career and has actually met him. I'm afraid that your source of information, which you never cite, is off the charts in terms of ridiculous claims. Yeah, the tiny minority has found things out about President Obama that Karl Rove couldn't find? Dream on. The truth you seek is right under your nose, while what you choose to believe is just plain untrue.
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First off I'm no Democrat. I'm sorta-right leaning Independent/former Republican.
If Gingrich gets the nomination the GOP is screwed. Here's the problems:
1.) The most conservative Americans will refuse to vote for Newt because of his many affairs and divorces. His propensity and skill at lying will also keep them home or voting 3rd party on election day.
2.) Anyone who remembers him from the 90's will have a hard time voting for him.
3.) Democrats and left-leaning independents remember Newtie and they hated him with a passion rarely seen from them. Left-leaning independents and Democrats that are a tad lazy about voting will turn out for sure to stop Newt Gingrich from becoming the President of the United States.
4.) A lot of Independent folks will just vote for a 3rd party rather than Newt Gingrich. I'm one of those. If it's a choice between Gingrich and Obama, I'll vote for a third party. Probably Libertarian. And I'm a "Anyone But Obama" guy. I just can't bring myself to vote for Newt Gingrich. It's just asking too much. I honestly thought it was a bad joke when he announced he was running. I never dreamed he could be the frontrunner.
5.) The damage is probably already done, but the GOP looks mind-mindbogglingly stupid chasing after a lecherous adulterous egotistical blowhard as though he was the bestest prize pony candidate ever for "the party of family values."
Right now, Gingrich is the front-runner. Ordinarily, this would give him a boost in head to head polling against Obama. It isn't. He is loses every head to head poll vs Obama ever taken. He's down by 11% in that category right now. Romney has remained locked in a virtual tie with Obama forever and still is. (Paul is the next closest after Romney.) There is a reason this poll result is so consistent. Newt would need a miracle to win the general election.
Good post and true imho...I'm not a "anybody but Obama" voter myself,but I AM a Paul over Obama voter...Newt is and always has been a bottom feeder...no amount of spin can change that.
If he goes head to head with Obama he will be slaughtered as he should be.
The RNC shot themselves in the foot last round with bringing that complete moron Palin on board,if they choose Newt this round then IMHO they will have shot themselves right between the eyes.
Maybe that's what they want...that way a Dem is POTUS when the real crap hits the fan here very shortly with the true economic collapse that is just around the corner and they just want to control things from behind the scenes ?????
I completely disagree with this and would like to be the voice of reason here.
Can't we all just get along and place the blame where it rightfully belongs? It's all Tom Cruise's fault. He did it. We wouldn't have any problems at all in America or in the world if it weren't for Tom Cruise. Stupid Tom!
That is all.
I just want to say that that was really funny! I had a good laugh.
Nope he was not liked. I can't begin to tell you the amount of polls during the mid nineties that showed high disapproval for Gingrich. And four years later he was kicked out of the speaker's chair himself
Polls, shmolls!!! If you believed every poll you wouldn't know which way to turn. Half of them over sample Democrats, and the rest don't mean much either. Questions they ask are structured to get the answers the pollsters want.
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I might ask the same of you. Since when does infedelity NOT matter to Christians? Oh that's right--personal lives only matter when it's DEMOCRATS involved. Any man who would run out on his wife for another woman is scum and isn't worthy of any respect. Wouldn't you agree? And yes, I did find Clinton's behavior horrible.
Well, look; this isn't the church. We aren't looking for someone to be the youth leader, or an elder or associate pastor. We are looking for a President who can lead this country back on a course that offers opportunity, freedom, liberty, and economic prosperity.
Considering the field, and what the opposition is, I don't think this is a time to be arguing over a what a persons marital history is. No one is without sin.
I'm guessing a lot of Christians tossed there piety to the wind and voted for Obama. Otherwise, he couldn't have won.
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Says you. But then, your entire worldview is shaped by a hatred of the president.
My world view is shaped by my faith, and my belief in America's greatness as founded by our forefathers.
Obama does not share either my Christian beliefs, or my belief in America's greatness. Obama is a Marxist/socialist, and his goal is the destruction of America as we know it. If you don't believe that, you are delusional.
Everything he has done has been toward the destruction of our economy. It has been purposeful, and methodical. Obama hates America. He has been taught this since his youth, when he was steeped in Marxism and communism. In his college days, he (by his own admission) sought out the Marxist professors, and the radicals (communists and socialists) on campus. He was a member of the New Socialist Party in Chicago (I believe that was the name of it). These things are all well documented.
I can set aside the flaws that might be found in a candidate if he is a patriot and someone who understands what Obama has done to our country, and what needs to be done to get us back on course. Any one of the Republican candidates right now can do this. It is a question of who would be best.
Rick Santorum is a great man and a good solid Christian. He is finally getting some fire in his belly. I like that. It may be too late, however.
Like Rick Santorum, Newt knows what needs to be done and how to do it. he has done it before. His experience working with Reagan is not to be shed off as inconsequential. Newt understands the consequences of over regulation and over taxation, and he articulates it well (as does Rick S., when he gets on a roll ... his last performance was excellent).
Romney, is a moderate. If he is what we are left with, I'll accept that. He isn't my choice.
Ron Paul's foreign policy is a big problem, and I don't seriously think Ron Paul could face off effectively against Obama. Obama is slick, and he is cunning. Newt would make minced meat out of him. I'm not sure about Paul.
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Of course not! What kind of question is that? Why would I want the destruction of my country? And no, one man cannot destroy a nation of 300 million people. Great countries rise and fall over time. One 4-8 year stint by one branch of the federal government does not destroy a country.
Don't kid yourself. History tells us you are wrong. ObamaCare alone just may do us in, to say nothing of what he has done in terms of destroying our capacity to produce affordable energy, which is necessary if we are to restore manufacturing, and rebuild a healthy economy. He has virtually shut down our oil industry, and his decision to not move forward with the XL Pipeline was disastrous for our economy. He speaks of creating jobs, then takes actions that destroy thousands. He has created NO net new jobs, despite what he says. This is because they base job creation on some ridiculous and faulty belief that for every dollar government spends, "X" number of jobs are created.
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And I question the intelligence of a person who can trace all of the country's problems to one man. The problems that face America are many and complex, began before Obama (and in some cases, before Bush). So to blame his policies for everything that's wrong in this country is stupid. Simply stupid.
Most of what we are facing today is Obama caused. The incredible debt, the joblessness.
When Obama took office, we had a mild recession. We now face disaster. It is entirely Obama caused, from ObamaCare being shoved down our throats, to the takeover of private companies, to pouring millions of dollars into unproven and unviable technologies (only to have them file for bankruptcy) all contributors to his campaign (crony capitalism anyone?), to his shutting down of offshore drilling (costing thousands of jobs and the loss of rigs to foreign waters).
Mountains of new regulations that cost companies millions, Dodd Frank (a disaster for our banking industry). And that is only what is on the surface that we know about.
I'll give you one thing: Some of this goes back years. The CRA (Jimmy Carter and expanded under Clinton) was responsible for the housing/mortgage 'crisis'. And don't even try to argue that it wasn't. It's well documented, and well understood. And Republicans did warn that it was a crisis waiting to happen, but the Democrats insisted that there was no problem (and those hearings are on tape, and have been on YouTube, so you can't squirm out of that either).
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I recommend you get out of your little Fox News/Talk Radio/Tea Party bubble and get some sense. You won't, but whatever.
Ever since one Newton LeRoy Gingrich tried to impeach President Clinton over it I expect. And boy did LeRoy have to dig for it there! All he could come up with was perjury since you'd never be able to impeach a standing president over adultery and nothing else. Lucky break for Newtie that Willie panicked and lied about it when pressed. What would Newtie have done if Bill hadn't lied though?
No surprise you would say that. Most Democrats will try to say that "it was all about sex". Sorry, it wasn't. Clinton lied to a Grand Jury.
Martha Stewart was sent to prison for such.
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That bit alone should answer your question. Yes, obviously it is Newtie himself. So kind of him to drop in on us!
Hi Newt! How are you and the third lady doing?
This is what you lefists always do when you have no argument. You act like children.
Gore did win 2000, with Jeb's florida magically putting Bush in the winner's seat, but 2004 is a good example as Dean was well on his way to handedly beating Bush, but from the dem implosion, having no real #2 to lead the pack, and just dealing with Kerry cost them the election.
We are seeing that now with the R's implosion, complete decisiveness, many clearly against Romney and others Newt, the GOP is going to lose because of their party crashing down on itself.
I'm so weary of these stupid arguments that claim Gore won.
Recount after tedious recount even by independent organizations, showed over and over and over that Bush won.
And let's remember, the now famous "butterfly ballot" that the Democrats claim cost Al Gore votes, was created by Democrats!
But enough of this nonsense. It's history. We know what happened.
Bush got in because he was good at fooling people. Newt ain't fooling ANYBODY - just ask his ex-wives.
I don't know. He fooled all those TPers in SC. They loved Newt's infidelities, the way Newt presented it as persecution by the media. Makes you wonder.
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