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Old 02-17-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Don't be so sure of yourself. 54% of voters that identified themselves as Catholics voted for Obama.


Yes please, let's take away rights based on not agreeing with something! I don't agree with what you say so I suppose I should start advocating to take away your right to say things I don't agree with?


You are correct; the Catholic church is not saying that their employees are barred from purchasing/using birth control. The problem lies with the federal government mandating the church pay for something that it is morally oppossed to. The issue is being twisted in several different ways, but the fundamental issue is very simple. It is a matter of the government abridging the free exercise of religion by forcing churches to do something against their beliefs and morals. The church is not violating anybody's rights by refusing to pay for contraceptives because there is no constitutional or fundamental human right to free contraceptives.
The saddest part of all this is that Obama supporters are willing to ignore what has been done by Obama and Sebelius in order to save him from this terrible mistake. Also, they don't realize that he may well have done this in order to cause turmoil among voters by their not understanding how religion can be used by the progressives to destroy them. Most people only want to save money on contraceptives and early abortions and don't care about anything else. That is a great example of how some politicians "buy" people off. Obama is a master at this but then he was a part of the corrupt Chicago group and has a number of them, mainly that dishonest woman who serves as his main advisor, in his White House.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Lucky for Obama that America style democracy is no longer dependant on votes...The committee will decide what front man or woman to use as a decoy for the next four years...Just hope that Obama keeps enjoying the adventure...it would be a shame if he really had to take true responsibity for a whole nation...why that would be real work...and no one wants that..
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The saddest part of all this is that Obama supporters are willing to ignore what has been done by Obama and Sebelius in order to save him from this terrible mistake. Also, they don't realize that he may well have done this in order to cause turmoil among voters by their not understanding how religion can be used by the progressives to destroy them. Most people only want to save money on contraceptives and early abortions and don't care about anything else. That is a great example of how some politicians "buy" people off. Obama is a master at this but then he was a part of the corrupt Chicago group and has a number of them, mainly that dishonest woman who serves as his main advisor, in his White House.
1) What I read from this is that you think that having elected representatives give the people what they want is somehow immoral. I contend that's the purpose of democracy.

2) Let's stop with this myth that Obama was part of the sinister Chicago corruption gang. It's just makes your post seem unserious.
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Maine
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The most important part of this debate is that the area Obama is now stepping into is DARK GRAY. Not necessarily Black and White. But what comes next? How much GRAY will we hand over when the next step is dire indeed????
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:59 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Obama is NOT declaring war on religion but declaring the right of the individual to have access to contraception and family planning. The Church has absolutely no right to interfere in a individuals right to be responsible about birth control. The Church leads the way and waves a huge banner to prevent abortion but does nothing but criticise or block birth control to help stop the situation where unwanted pregnancies occur. The Church CANNOT have it both ways........ If they say birth control is wrong then they cannot stop abortion if a unwanted pregnancy occurs. To be naive and think that unwanted pregnancies do not occur because babies are only produced in a happy marrital situation or a Woman or Man cannot decide on how many children they want and God decides that issue is so absurd that the vast majority of Catholic Women now ignore the Church and use contraception.
The Catholic Church does not accept Contraceptive choice or even Women reaching high positions in the Church and shows that they still believe that the rights of Women is their domain and for them to sanction or not.
The Church has declared war on human rights and no matter what they believe they must let individuals use their "God given right to choose'. Whenever something wrong happens the Church uses the "God gave us free will to make our own decissions' reasoning.
Any members of the catholic church that does not want to take contraception..... hey don't use it but any member of the Catholic church or employed by a Catholic society or business that wants to use contraception then the Catholic church has NO RIGHT to prevent them using it, unless they feel that the rights of the individual can be controlled and ignored............... Hitler also believed that too

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Old 02-17-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The Republicans are turning this issue into another Terry Schiavo debacle. This will actually cost the republicans votes!
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The Republicans are turning this issue into another Terry Schiavo debacle. This will actually cost the republicans votes!
Oh, I don't think so. Obama can ill afford to lose ANY Catholics that voted for him in 2008.

Oh, its not a contraception issue, its a religious freedom issue and another overreach of the obama administration.
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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You won't understand until they affect your rights to do or say something. It will come like it came in other countries. Heck, our government is planning to have drones in the air soon. They will watch your every step, not that you are doing anything wrong but do you want your every move monitored?

They want to monitor your online activity so here it comes folks.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Oh, I don't think so. Obama can ill afford to lose ANY Catholics that voted for him in 2008.

Oh, its not a contraception issue, its a religious freedom issue and another overreach of the obama administration.
Oh really? Are the 23 states that have similar laws (for decades) overreaching? Where was the outrage then, or is outrage reserved for Obama?

More Catholic parishioners vote than bishops, so I'm not worried about Obama losing Catholic votes. When the issue is framed as the GOP wants to pull contraceptive insurance coverage from your plan -- which is exactly the plan -- the Catholic votes are overwhelming.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Oh really? Are the 23 states that have similar laws (for decades) overreaching? Where was the outrage then, or is outrage reserved for Obama?

More Catholic parishioners vote than bishops, so I'm not worried about Obama losing Catholic votes. When the issue is framed as the GOP wants to pull contraceptive insurance coverage from your plan -- which is exactly the plan -- the Catholic votes are overwhelming.
There are differences between state and federal powers. But, if we are going to follow the first amendment argument, then yes, it was an overstep.

Of course, no one seemed to damned upset about it, until a Democratic president did it.
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