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Old 02-11-2012, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Is the Electoral College antiquated?
Yes.
Will it be abolished?
Not anytime soon. it has proven itself to be reliable enough to work, even though all the original reasons for it's creation are long gone. Americans are loathe to tinker with their political traditions, and the Electoral College is one of our oldest. It is also one of the hardest to change, as a transition to any other system would have to be done at once, rather than gradually.

As far as becoming an elector goes, it's not that hard, but a person has to be elected into the position by his party. If you don't know who your district's electors are, it's not that hard to find out. A phone call to the local party's headquarters will do it. If you don't like the bums who are in the job now, all you have to do is register with a party and run for the job yourself. Or find someone you favor to run. Then take your chances, just like any other political position that requires an election.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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A swing of 60,000 voters in Ohio in 2004 would have defeated President Bush despite his nationwide lead of over 3 million votes.
It was closer to 120,000 ... A swing that large in Ohio would be matched by a swing across the country.
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:00 PM
 
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Default National Popular Vote Bill does NOT Abolish EC

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Is the Electoral College antiquated?
Yes.
Will it be abolished?
Not anytime soon. it has proven itself to be reliable enough to work, even though all the original reasons for it's creation are long gone. Americans are loathe to tinker with their political traditions, and the Electoral College is one of our oldest. It is also one of the hardest to change, as a transition to any other system would have to be done at once, rather than gradually.

As far as becoming an elector goes, it's not that hard, but a person has to be elected into the position by his party. If you don't know who your district's electors are, it's not that hard to find out. A phone call to the local party's headquarters will do it. If you don't like the bums who are in the job now, all you have to do is register with a party and run for the job yourself. Or find someone you favor to run. Then take your chances, just like any other political position that requires an election.
The National Popular Vote bill preserves the constitutionally mandated Electoral College and state control of elections. It changes the way electoral votes are awarded by states in the Electoral College, instead of the current 48 state-by-state winner-take-all system (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but since enacted by 48 states).

When the bill is enacted by states possessing a majority of the Electoral College votes– enough Electoral College votes to elect a President (270 of 538), all the Electoral College votes from the enacting states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC.

In the 2012 election, pundits and campaign operatives already agree that, at most, only 12 states and their voters will matter under the current winner-take-all laws (i.e., awarding all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in each state) used by 48 of the 50 states. At most, 12 states will determine the election. Candidates will not care about at least 76% of the voters-- voters in 19 of the 22 lowest population and medium-small states, and in 16 medium and big states like CA, GA, NY, and TX. 2012 campaigning could be even more obscenely exclusive than 2008 and 2004. In 2008, candidates concentrated over 2/3rds of their campaign events and ad money in just 6 states, and 98% in just 15 states (CO, FL, IN, IA, MI, MN, MO, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, PA, VA, and WI). Over half (57%) of the events were in just 4 states (OH, FL, PA, and VA). Candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or care about the voter concerns in the dozens of states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind. More than 85 million voters have been just spectators to the general election.

Now, policies important to the citizens of ‘flyover’ states - that include 9 of the original 13 states - are not as highly prioritized as policies important to ‘battleground’ states when it comes to governing, too.

Since World War II, a shift of only a few thousand votes in one or two states would have elected the second-place candidate in 4 of the 13 presidential elections. Near misses are now frequently common. There have been 6 consecutive non-landslide presidential elections. 537 popular votes won Florida and the White House for Bush in 2000 despite Gore's lead of 537,179 popular votes nationwide. A shift of 60,000 voters in Ohio in 2004 would have defeated President Bush despite his nationwide lead of over 3 Million votes.

In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided). Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls in closely divided Battleground states: CO – 68%, FL – 78%, IA 75%, MI – 73%, MO – 70%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM– 76%, NC – 74%, OH – 70%, PA – 78%, VA – 74%, and WI – 71%; in Small states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK – 70%, DC – 76%, DE – 75%, ID – 77%, ME – 77%, MT – 72%, NE 74%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM – 76%, OK – 81%, RI – 74%, SD – 71%, UT – 70%, VT – 75%, WV – 81%, and WY – 69%; in Southern and Border states: AR – 80%,, KY- 80%, MS – 77%, MO – 70%, NC – 74%, OK – 81%, SC – 71%, TN – 83%, VA – 74%, and WV – 81%; and in other states polled: CA – 70%, CT – 74%, MA – 73%, MN – 75%, NY – 79%, OR – 76%, and WA – 77%. Americans believe that the candidate who receives the most votes should win.

The National Popular Vote bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers in 21 small, medium-small, medium, and large states. The bill has been enacted by 9 jurisdictions possessing 132 electoral votes - 49% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.

The electors now are dedicated party activists, often big donors.

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